I've kept hearing about how the new Oklahoma abortion law was supposed to be so extreme, but the new anti abortion law signed by the governor still allows abortions for rape, incest and for the life of the mother. How is that extreme or draconian?
By that definition, almost any Pro-Life law would be "draconian", wouldn't it? I don't think you're putting up a very good case for your side.
You ignore the obvious. Political reasons. Banning abortions of pregnancies caused by rape or incest would greatly hurt the willingness of people to support banning abortions of pregnancies that are caused by other actions. Which is the overwhelming majority of pregnancies.
Every major social problem this country has it at its heart due to people having sex outside of marriage. So legal or not, consensual sex, outside of marriage SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED.
I did not ignore political reasons....that wasn't what we were discussing. But yes, the attack on women for having sex IS poitical....the Repubs play up to the Ignorant One -Issue (abortion) voters to get votes and don't give a tinker's damn if it hurts women. And your post certainly doesn't refute my : Yet the procedure and outcome for an abortion due to rape is EXACTLY THE SAME as the procedure and OUTCOME of an abortion due to consensual sex. Making those calling abortion "murder" HYPOCRITS. It punishes women for having consensual sex which is NOT a crime.""""" ALL OF THE ABOVE WAS DODGED, UNADDRESSED... By making women who have sex criminals ???? How DRACONIAN!!!!!!!!! Uh, do you really think school shootings and the economy are influenced by people having sex outside of marriage ???! LOLOLOLOLOLOL BTW, MARRIED women have abortions....
Let's go back to your original issue and question ( the topic). OMG. Uh, because it deprives women of the right of bodily autonomy. Because it makes life harder for women. Because it punishes women for having consensual sex which is NOT a crime. Because it is so HYPOCRITICAL. WHY do they want to ban abortion? Because they claim it's murder. Yet the procedure and outcome for an abortion due to rape is EXACTLY THE SAME as the procedure and OUTCOME of an abortion due to consensual sex. It punishes women for having consensual sex which is NOT a crime. It is aimed at controlling women like livestock. Now, that may not seem "harsh" to Anti-Choicers but to people who believe in freedom and liberty and human rights for all it is certainly draconian, sexist, and misogynistic, extreme, harsh, impractical and just plain stupid.
Yet YOU could NOT point out the "stupidity"...couldn't address or refute it....couldn't answer questions about it ...could NOT show where it's "stupid"....just ducked and dodged all the questions about the stupid OP.
I've been asking the very same question for years - if abortion is murder, how is it okay in cases of rape or incest? It's still murder. So, then, it comes down to the way the child has been conceived. Murder of that child is okay and legal because the way it was conceived was a violent crime. Which the child did not commit, but is being put to death anyway. Please - anyone - explain that one to me.
NO Anti-Choicer has ever answered that awkward (for them ) question....and you won't get an answer in this thread OP wants to ask questions, not get answers
I've explained it. It is treated differently for political reasons. Because it would be difficult if not impossible to generate opposition to abortion without a rape exception. Why is that hard to understand? We treat the same acts differently for political reasons all the time. A bullet fired into someones head can be a murder, a suicide, an accident, an act of mercy. Any of those for the exact same act. Why is that hard to understand? If you are like @FoxHastings you simply mock and deny and repeat your outrageous claims.
https://www.salon.com/2019/05/06/ad...ing-to-get-these-outdated-laws-off-the-books/ My state (and many others) had laws against fornication. Happy?
Abortion laws are extreme, draconian, and cannot be enforced. It is extreme because it imposes government will. Such laws are enforced in the Middle East where draconian laws are normal.
No. Laws protect people from the will of others. Abortion laws cannot be enforced and have no benefit to society. If I gave you unlimited resources, you could not come up with a way to enforce such laws in the US.
Well thank you for the answer. So, for political reasons, abortion is not murder in the case of rape. It is no longer murder so that folks on the right can garner support. Forgive me if I find that your entire 'murder' argument falls completely flat if it bails when politically expedient.
Not everybody thinks that elective abortion in the case of rape or incest is okay. As you say, however conceived, it's not the child's fault.
Usually this is judged by the number of weeks at which abortion is outlawed. Allowing elective abortion after viability is considered "extremely liberal," while disallowing abortion after conception is considered "extremely conservative." It's rather stupid the way conservatives think there's a new person there at conception.
The draconian part is because of how quickly it bans abortions after conception. A woman barely has time to know they're pregnant in that time window, and some may not even discover it before the window passes. These pro-life* folks making these laws are skating as close to the edge(as it currently stands anyway) as they can without going over and banning abortion entirely, which everyone knows is their end goal. Many of them don't even see the need for the exceptions this law provides. Expect those to go away too if Roe is overturned. * = Many exceptions, restrictions, and conditions will apply.
Relatively, few single women have abortions. Single women aren't out there getting an annual abortion.
