"I want them to see what they have done"

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  1. ar10

    ar10 New Member

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    "I want them to see what they have done"

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    A quote from Mrs Kennedy when asked if she would change clothing later that day.

    O so many years later, we are still wearing that same clothing, blood splattered, soiled, full of tears.

    I cannot get past that day in Dallas. Every year as this time again approaches, my mind is filled with such heavy sadness. I reread books, order more books, videos, think, ponder, and ask why?

    In this forum, there are two distinct lines of people divided. On one side, you have the people that think LHO acted alone. The other camp, look across the way and wonder why those people just do not get it.

    I think LHO was a tool of the powers that killed Kennedy. I do not think Lee knew he was a tool, a patsy, until the plot unfolded around him. I believe he thought he was an insider, working more than one front to protect this country. His IRS records from that time are forever sealed. Why? Because he was on payroll as a defector to Russia is my belief.

    I think LHO had handlers, and his mission, was to be in that Texas School Depository building, at that point & time. I do not believe he killed Kennedy or officer Tippet. I think he was told to cause a scene in that theatre, and start a fight with police when they showed up.

    Mrs Kennedy must have aged a thousand years that day, wearing that dress. The dress is in the National archives. The hat & gloves? I rather hope they were placed beside Jack as he was laid resting, forever below the eternal flame.

    Like the hat & gloves, a piece of me also vanished that day. My trust in authority is not unquestionable now. I still respect authority, but now I also fear it.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    What is there for those people across the aisle to get?

    You believe that because they do not share your depth of feeling that they are automatically wrong or not honest in their grasp of the facts at hand.

    You believe all those things you state above but that is because you WISH to believe it.

    This is what conspiracy theorists count on. They will always have a market for DVDs, Movies, books, Magazines, Conventions etc. so long as people keep wanting to believe it HAD to be more than one guy who got a little lucky in his quest to achieve infamy.

    Conspiracy theorists are as capable of dishonesty ( perhaps more so ) as the CIA is or the government in general and they have motive to lie. There motive is profit because conspiracy theory IS an industry.
    Many people JUST LIKE YOU wish there to be a conspiracy, why? Because the death of a president HAS to have some deeper meaning that one mans crime. There has to be greater reasons than one nut-jobs lust for notoriety.
    There HAS to be something deeper more meaningful and preferably more honest. This is what causes people to turn off their objectivity and replace clear logical thinking skills with an emotional quest to solve the case.

    Go ahead and cry every year nothing wrong with that but instead of believing on FAITH and nothing else that there was a conspiracy try following the evidence. None supports a conspiracy or cover-up.
     
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    It is effective cross-examination that exposes the shoddy, predetermined nature of a police investigation, the "expert's" reliance on flawed and vulnerable forensic techniques, and witness's lack of candor.
     
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    If you see no evidence to suggest or support a cover-up, you need eyeglasses?

    Because Hollywood made a movie about the event with a few poetic licence overtures in the film, does not mean in reality, a Coup did not took place.

    If one event in all the hundreds of events of that day shows plausible cause to open an investigation into that day, it should be opened.

    If you cannot find one single event, you are part of the problem.


     
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    "I want "Them" to see what "They" have done".

    This was a woman articulate with words. She has worked as a magazine publisher, and if you ever heard her speak, she always choose her words precisely.

    Now is this simple short sentence reported to be her quote, accurate and pointing?
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Over 800 documented falsehoods were found by historians in the movie JFK. This goes beyond poetic license. It was in fact like any Hollywood production a work of FICTION. Although many people who watch it think they know the truth. You may as well claim to the know the truth about Vietnam by watching Platoon or the truth about space travel by watching Star wars.

    Yes I see no evidence to suggest a cover-up or perhaps you could share some although so far your take on the facts from that day have not been very sharp.

    There have already been two government investigations and endless private investigations. If you want another one have at it and conduct one the government need not bother.

    I never went looking for an event to SUGGEST a cover-up. I've read many ( not all ) of the books about it and they are universally weak. I've read other books as well which argue against a cover-up and they are better.

    I think your passion to find one and insist their was one reflects a lack of objectivity. With the desire to find evidence of a coverup literally anything can be turned into such evidence.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Jacki was an intelligent and educated woman.

    She also said this immediately after witnessing her husband murdered with his blood and brain-matter still splattered on her.

    No body is going to be carefully choosing their words in such an overwhelming emotionally traumatic moment.

    It was an emotion based first impression not a statement of fact or a witness testimony it was a REACTION to severe emotional trauma.

    This was even before Oswald was arrested her words were uttered at the hospital before leaving to return to Washington. Ever heard someone say something similar before the full facts are in? Such expressions are common but meaningless as evidence.

    Governor Connally had similar words when he was shot. He stated my god THEY are going to kill us all. But of course he had no idea whether it was a they or a he because he was trying to duck further gunfire.
     
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    'they' (and 'them' 'their) has long entered into the English language in one of its functions as a generic pronoun, inclusive of plurality, and not excluding singularity (he, she).

    'they' in such contexts simply means 'whoever'.

    She means, in short, 'whoever did this should see it'

    As a matter of fact, 'he' would sound a bit odd, and that's why people instinctively use 'they' where the occasion calls for it. 'He' commonly refers to an pre-identified antecedent at least in the speaker's mind and usually in the listeners' also, and it would sound as if Jackie actually knew the responsible party.

    Almost like:

    I want him (you know, Castro (or Kruschhev, Dulles, Johnson...) ) to know what he has done.

    And although assassins are almost exclusively male, one does not automatically exclude a woman.
     
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    you nailed it.well said.
     

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