I want to create a large private city in middle america that can outright ban guns.

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  1. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Have you heard of highway taxes (aka gas taxes)? It does not come from the general fund (i.e. income taxes). Now, there may be some of the state share of the highways were funded by income taxes, but the federal share was gas (and motor oil) taxes. This is what is so frustrating about you in arguments. You don't even know all of the basics of civics, I guess you spent too much time ranting and raving over things rather than learning about them.
     
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    Because those countries aren't us.
    Oh look - an appeal to popularity fallacy.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    1. Because we didn't want them living in totally free societies. We wanted Japan and Germany hamstrung by their Constitutions, so that they would never regain military strength.
    2. Because you can't just copy, you have to adapt for your country. Our constitution is appropriate for Americans, it may not be for others.
    3. Popularity has nothing to do with effectiveness or quality. Back in the video tape days, Beta was better than VHS technically, but VHS was more popular. Now both are gone.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Proof of this contention. I've never heard it. Show me an article with Gen W in it.

    This is the only thing I get when I google Gen W.

    http://www.genwnow.com/about-us
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    It is not the availability of firearms that is serving to motivate students to murder their fellow classmates. Therefore such a statement is devoid of having a factual basis.

    Far less then two percent of the united states population, in a country that is already far overpopulated. How is such a problem in need of the government to address and make right?

    Then what is ultimately being said by yourself, is that the suffering of innocent bystanders is entertainment to yourself. Suggesting an individual with a sadistic nature who takes pleasure in the misery of others who are victims of governmental abuse.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Such as insurance companies restricting policies from those who have preexisting conditions and cannot qualify for coverage? Is such considered an acceptable practice for them to engage in?
     
  7. Sackeshi

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    Its the lack of gun control keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people
    Over populated? Middle america is ducking empty
    It is not sadistic to take joy in watching those who vote for terrible leaders be forced to face their own medicine alone so that they learn that oh maybe we should stop voting for such horrible persons.
     
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    Unsupportable nonsense.
     
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    Which mentally ill individuals? Demonstrate such. Cite them. The only mentally ill individual who has committed a mass shooting in recent years has been Adam Lanza, who stole the firearms from a locked and secured safe.

    Irrelevant. The united states is overpopulated. Two percent of the population dying off from various causes is hardly a crisis is need of being addressed. If anything it is simply nature attempting to balance itself.

    Then what is ultimately being said by yourself, is that the suffering of innocent bystanders is entertainment to yourself. Suggesting an individual with a sadistic nature who takes pleasure in the misery of others who are victims of governmental abuse. The fact that they are not even viewed by yourself as fellow human beings only makes the problem worse.
     
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    Whether or not I have "faith" that he will not abuse this "loophole" doesn't matter. The premise of protection against Double Jeopardy is too important to be concerned with such short term trivialities. This whole "double sovereignty" standard has been bullshit since the day it was invented. As for POTUS's authority to Pardon State charges, I have always been under the impression that he/she had that absolute power, up to and including themselves, though that has never happened.
     
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    Your contempt for the Constitution and our founding principles is already well documented. Nothing of substance expressed here.
     
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    Definitely time for you to go.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    The document was written in the 1700s it's the 2000s now tume for change.
     
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    See article V.
     
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    Then go about using the existing and legitimate practice intended to be used in making the necessary changes. Anything is simply attempting a quick bypass due to understanding that the proper and legitimate channels are too much work for those who have no interest in such.
     
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    The Constitution has the ability for the American people to change and update it already built into it. It just takes a sufficient majority of the American People to agree it needs to happen.

    FYI: Liberty never goes out of style.
     
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    Nor do freedoms, but many want those dissolved as well.

    The problem is, with freedom comes responsibility and too few in this country want to be responsible preferring to let the government take care of them and are willing to trade their freedoms for it.

    Of course everyone else's freedoms must be lost for that to happen, but for the non-responsible dregs of society, that's a small price to pay.
     
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    I wish it took 75% of the population and not 75% of the state most of which only make up 12% of the population.

    9 states make up over 50% of the population 24 states make up 12%
     
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    Your opinion doesn't matter.
     
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    I was just pointing out the flaw in him saying you just need a significant majority of people and not states.
     
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    We are a Republic, not a Democracy, and every state agreed to join the Republic based upon them being given an equal voice to larger, more populous states. Hence, why we have an electoral college and not a popular vote for President. It also ensures every state has a voice in whether the Constitution can be modified... as it should.
     
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    It has the capacity to change. Get political consensus and it can be changed. It was designed with changes in mind, but we (as a whole) have decided that it's pretty good and doesn't need many changes.
     
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    Which is exactly why it will never happen. The other 41 states don't want to be dominated by those 9.
     
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    Meaning what is supported on the part of yourself is mob rule, with no regard for how the minority will be negatively affected as a result.

    If such practices were indeed the way things were done in the united states, homosexualism would still be a crime punishable by death, and blacks would still be slaves to this day.
     
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    Once again forgetting that the 13TH,14TH,15TH amendment were passed by force via the federal government, because had the rules for radification been followed (and the southren legislatures not thrown out and replaced by radical republicans), homosexuality would be a crime punishable by death, and blacks would still be slaves.
     
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