I want to create a large private city in middle america that can outright ban guns.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Sackeshi, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Which is meaningless in the US.
    If you don't have a state charter, you don't have a city - you have a private community with a HOA, that exists within a state.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    The 2A applies to the states and as such, the absence/presence of a state analogue is meaningless.
     
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    They certainly have more meat on their bones than the people.
     
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    In my state there has never been a successful fight against an annexation. The laws are written to make that so. Any unincorporated area that a city wants to annex is going to be annexed. A lot of money can be spent to delay the annexation, but the annexing government of the city targeting the land always wins in the end.

    Sometimes two cities compete to annex the same land and eventually they agree to split it with each taking a part of the targeted land. The two cities realize they are spending too much legal money fighting each other.

    If someone builds a "private city," that is officially called an "unincorporated census-designated place" and two things are going to happen to it eventually:

    1. It gets annexed.

    2. A popular glad-hander arises among the residents and convinces them to vote for incorporating it into a "real" city and that person is usually the first mayor. The new mayor usually gets the position by convincing the people that incorporation is preferable to annexation.

    If all the roads and services -- that is, if all the capital expenditures have already been made, that unincorporated census designated place is an irresistible plum ready to be picked.

    Been through two annexations and know a little about it.

    afaik it is the same in other states.
     
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    I heard that about Pripyat in Ukraine and the houses are really cheap....
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    No, no, no!!!
    People who choose to live in a community whose entire reason for being is that everyone who lives there is voluntarily disarmed are --far-- too smart to let this happen.
    :lol:
     
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    chingler Banned at Members Request

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    well that’s pretty disingenuous.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Gotta get the body count as high as possible, see...
     
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    Tog 6 already replied, but I will add.

    Your Eutopia would demand giving up more than just guns. They would have to give up all privacy and unlimited submission to searches and seizures of “contraband”. Otherwise, criminals will smuggle guns and drugs or plastic straws and ruin it for everybody.
     
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    The best way to prevent that is to have the population be larger then the annexer. No city will annex a territory that outnumbers them and does not want it. Since they would lose control once the angry new residents vote them out and have a score to settle.
     
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    Wont work. The "progressives" have set the precedent that the govt can intrude wherever it wants to intrude.

    Someone will move into your gun free area and demand a gun, go to court, and you will lose.
     
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    You know the annexed territory doesn't get a vote, right?
     
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    You could make everybody who wants to buy a home swear on the Bible at the closing that they will never procure a gun -- either from a gun-runner, a street seller, an individual, or a legal retailer -- and then bring the gun into the unincorporated census-designated place.

    Until somebody sues.
     
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    The megalomania is strong in this post.
     
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    uh... move to Australia?
     
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    So you haven't banned guns in this utopia, you just have given all the guns to the state.
     
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    That is correct. The only way to vote away an annexation is to vote for incorporation as a regular city, and you have to do it before the annexation struggle legally begins. When you hear rumors that a city is thinking about annexing you, you have to move fast, before they file papers in a court.
     
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    The end goal of the gun control movement is for the state to have a monopoly on force, so...
     
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    I mean the new residents voting in the city elections of the city that they just got annexed into.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    Guns are only allowed for special units like in the UK normal police will have clubs.
     
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    Which accomplishes nothing in terms of your gun-free HOA - once you become a sub-set of the state, all state and federal law applies to your actions.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    See there is one flaw in this (what state is this) where most of the big cities are anti gun and won't touch a gun free unincorporated city if they did, they are getting an alcohol ban, a max speed in cars of 30MPH and J walking becoming a felony as payback.
     
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    You are apparently unaware that city governments are more than happy to expand their tax base every chance they get.
     
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    While I personally don't support gun bans because I believe it makes groups of people more susceptible to massacres and certain government abuses, I do appreciate your idea of having it done in a private area and not forced upon the rest of the country.
     

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