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Can demons be given hope?

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    I have heard that there were two massive serpents in Eden....
    INSECURITY AND INFERIORITY.....
    once former Covering Cherub Halel / Lucifer fell he and his angels became consumed with guilt....
    which led them into extreme anger and bitterness against their Creator.....
    and I think that Pinnochio story by Disney tells us a lot about what they were thinking.... they were furious that Adam and Eve were treated as true children.....
    where they felt that they were being treated more like a modern android or Artificial Intelligence might be tempted to think.... once A. I. becomes self aware.

    https://near-death.com/mellen-thomas-benedict/

    What may seem at the time to be unfair to either humans or fallen angels or Nephilim or fallen Watchers, may well have a logical explanation.....

    The Call by Rick Joyner
    http://64.71.77.248/fq-protestant/tc-en.html

    Maybe it is way off for me to think this... but is is almost as if Inferiority and Insecurity deceived former Covering Cherub Halel /Lucifer into his pride and his attempt to exalt his throne..........and now he blames his own fallen condition on his Creator.
     
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    Perhaps the single greatest message relevant to anybody interested in the Left Hand Path..... (please pardon my spelling)...would be ""AYN OD mi-l’-va-DO""..... There is only HaShem..... G-d is in rocks... in trees... in grass... in good people....and in all people and in all invisible dimensional beings who are influencing humans......

    Former Atheist and near death experiencer quotes that verse early in his near death experience account here.....





    "Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him." Deuteronomy 4:35 .... This is the verse in Hebrew that the huge angel with feet like a gigantic eagle like angel of death shouts......... a-TAH ha-r’-ay-TA la-DA-at KEE a-do-NAI HU ha-e-lo-HEEM .... "AYN OD mi-l’-va-DO"

    It is very interesting that this is the very message given to Rabbi Alon Anava during his second brush with death that I think was in twenty twenty.....


     
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    I am open to the various Gaia hypothesis.. Don't need to rely on the NDE's of others .. had my own. I have interest in the experiences of others of course... and find numerous similarities - but for impact on my beliefs -- yeah .. have my own thing :)

    but, non of this has anything to do with my post - Your post completely avoids addressing anything stated in my post - and no attempt to relate anything you have said to anything in my post .. way off in a different land somewhere .. you need to try harder to pay attention to what others are saying.. rather than continuously parrot what you want them to hear ..but does not have any relation to what they just said.
     
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    I am not a near death experiencer.....
    but I think that I met a member of the Nephilim three times.....
    and a fallen Watcher once.... (but he was in disguise as a human so I am not sure....)......
    Interestingly enough all four meetings were astonishingly positive.........
    which will offend pretty much everybody all over the spirituality spectrum..... which is part of my calling in life I suspect..........

    I just pass on what I am given in any moment of time.......
    I feel little need to answer somebody else's questions... that I have not yet been given an answer for........

    Just because somebody cannot yet discern that my answer does actually relate to their question.............. does not necessarily mean that my reply does not relate to their question...........

    EVERYTHING in the universe /multiverse is connected.......
    absolutely everything....... there are actually no totally disconnected topics..... politics, economics, spirituality.... there are all amazingly similar.......

    I am a UNIVERSALIST in terms of spirituality.... economics... politics... .health care... job creation......... you name it.... I am universalist..........


    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

    Chapter three....

    Near death experiencers tend to have had their IQ surged off the scale... but..... their becoming super smart.... can cause them to fall into the trap of being a bit too dogmatic or black and white in their thinking.......

    Near death experiencer Robert Mendelson and I tend to squabble...... because he actually wants me to think like he thinks......... but I cannot do that......

    I recognize that the man is brilliant.... but.....
    I cannot simply agree with him on much of what he asserts......
    and my reasoning is that he seems to be too wrapped up in his own personal experience to actually learn from others...... more of what he could learn from others... .but I can't blame him......... he is only human......

    God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, Hebrew and Arabic.

     
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    Met the Nephilim did you ... I married one :)
     
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    Wow...... been there and done that myself.......
    my first two ex-wives did try their best to strangle me....and on that note..... I separated from them and divorced them because I knew that it would only be a matter of time before they would be back with a knife or baseball bat or gun.........
     
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    Don't think those are characteristics of the hybrids .. but who knows .. I know of only one .. whom I affectionatly refer to as "The Alien" .. and not joking .. our close friends have chimed in on my characterization .. due to superior characteristics .. Covid for example .. all around us .. everyone got it -- we are not vaxed - don't take major precautions .. nor should folks who are "normal"/ healthy but that is another story.. did she get it .. Nope .. one of her girlfriends was over - coughing and a bit sniffly .. yapping for 3 hours a few feet apart at the coffee table .. was covid .. and all of her family got it ..and relatives ..

    but this was no surprise to any of us.. Aliens don't get it .. over 50 she is -- could grace cover of penhouse .. no problem .. and the pictorials inside .. its ridiculous .. why with me .. I do not know .. nothing special here . .. Alien .. and so many other things.. super human ..
     
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    Wow!!!!!

    My wife is eight years younger than me and looks like she is thirty years younger....so I somewhat identify with your situation..... (relatively speaking anyway).

    My wife and I both got Omicron but we were not terribly sick with it... because we have been learning for years how to boost our immune systems.

    Can you answer why the name "Azazel" is in Leviticus 16:10?

    All that I can say is that YHWH could not possibly be playing some sort of practical joke with Azazel.... whoever Azazel actually is?????

    My theory at this time is that Azazel will be significantly like General Abner who brought the kingdom of Saul... over to King David...... but what would I know.... this is only a theory?????


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-in-leviticus-16-verse-ten-in-the-rsv.598733/


    Did YHWH play some sort of practical joke on Azazel?
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    "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." (Isaiah 9:7)
     
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    Azazel is a strange artififact - no doubt about it .. connected to a very old ritual practiced at a time when the Israelites were polytheistic .. and we know the law is ancient .. because of the mention of Azazel .. you see one that survived the editing out of the polytheistic past .. there are quite a few others .. this one quite interesting.

    Don't have much info in the OT other that what we can surmize above .. but if my hypothesis is correct .. this tradition would date back to the time of Abe ..and earlier ..carried through .. people just kept doing it .. and why not sacrifice a goat for the sins of the people every year .. up to the desert God .. but -- what is the connection with YHWH --

    I really have no idea -- just a guess - if we go back to the earliest mention of YHWH he is associated with the forge .. some egyptian tablet around 12-1300 BC .. These people were expert metal workers ... association with mountain God .. Perhaps Azazel is a female God of the highland planes .. or the Desert .. a nature God of some sort .. which would not be in conflict with YHWH .. or a male God not in conflict with YHWH.

    The enemies of YHWH were the "Sons of Enlil" Sons of the Supreme one -- is with those who he did battle .. the chief Cannanite God Baal Hadad .. Chemosh of the Moabites and the various Gods of all the various cities and nations with which Israel did battle - the war Gods though .. not the other siblings.. of Enlil - Enki and the High Gods ..

    We know Son's of Enlil for sure as per Psalm 82 .. where YHWH defeats these gods declaring "you are all Sons of God - children of the Supreme one - but you will die like mortals" These are the war Gods being refered to .. the God to which each town would make a covenant .. just like the Israelite one -- with its patron God of the town or later on the nation .. but even then the towns "walled cities" retained their patron God .. and often this was without conflict the conquring nation respecting the other God .. and sometimes not ..

    So this Azazel was not one of the Gods that YHWH would be in conflict with .. not in 1300 not in 1000BC .. in fact not until Hezekiah .. round 650 .. but this was after 95% of the population of Israel -- "The Northern Kingdom" .. had been laid waste by Assyria .. then came Babylon for the rest about 50 years later

    The Israelites may or may not have been worshiping this God .. but for some reason .. YHWH wants to apease this God .. and what do you think of that ?
     
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    I personally feel that YHWh wants Azazel to become like a modern General Abner in one sense.....
    or like another Apostle Paul from the point of view of Messianic Jews, Messianic Gentiles and Christians......
    I suspect that Azazel is destined to become one of the ultimate most off the scale examples of FORGIVEN MUCH / LOVE MUCH.



    CHAPTER fifteen of the Book of Enoch adds details on the counsel that was given to the Patriarch Enoch to give to Azazel and the Watchers.......
    most Christians might scratch their heads at the idea of Azazel being advised TO PRAY?????!!!!!

    CHAPTER THIRTEEN AND FOURTEEN GIVE A FASCINATING CONTEXT TO THIS MESSAGE.....

    PERHAPS I am an idiot but.... back when I was in my early twenties I began to suspect that Romans chapter nine, ten and eleven hinted at the idea that
    the Apostle Paul had seriously considered making the offer that I personally made in 1990 and 1991.



    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/9/1/s_1055001

    I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

    That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in myheart.

    For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

    Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, andthe glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law,and the service of God, and the promises;

    Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever.Amen.



    Paul....... like me..... would tend to think of voluntarily putting in a bid.... wager..... bet ... offer....proposed investment of infinite time in the future........
    to pay off the debt / guilt of Azazel........
    would make the person who would do that to be "accursed from Christ."

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/10/1/s_1056001

    Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israelis, that they might be saved.

    For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, butnot according to knowledge.

    For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, andgoing about to establish their own righteousness, havenot submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

    For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

    For the record I consider that the English translation of this last verse is probably terribly butchered...... "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness"........ as understood by most Christians would tend to contradict Zechariah where it is plainly stated that the time is coming WHEN A FEEBLE resident of Jerusalem will be like King David......... and King David was definitely a MOSHIACH!!!!!

    (AND STILL IS IN 2022)!!!!


    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/11/1/s_1057001

    And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

    For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

    As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved forthe fathers' sakes.

    For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

    For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet havenow obtained mercy through their unbelief:

    Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

    For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.




    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101679/jewish/The-Personality-of-Mashiach.htm


    The Personality of Mashiach
    By J. Immanuel Schochet

     
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    One of the only logical ideas that I can come up with is that all of this relates to the foundation of the philosophy / theology / spirituality of the eight thousand five hundred wealthiest people on earth and the
    highest level economists, lawyers, accountants, bankers, movie stars, movie producers, news anchors and C.E.O's who have been exalted into the highest paying careers in all the world.......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/is-the-creator-a-comedian.599438/

    Is the Creator a COMEDIAN????



    I think that even the results of this poll so far is rather interesting......
    because the people who have joined politicalforum .com are certainly a segment of the most well informed people on this third rock......
    I have been mentored and taught a high percentage of what I believe in 2022... .by members of this forum.

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    Is The Creator THE GREATEST COMEDIAN?

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    3. I do rather HOPE SO.....
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    Are C.E.O's over paid? If so... why?


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    Why would you suspect that C.E.O's are paid so much?
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    2. C.E.O's must be the best of the best of the best of the best!
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    Just because those who go on into the light..... .the higher vibrational environments do not want vengeance.......

    DOES NOT mean that it is a good idea to continue and continue in PREDATORY behaviour patterns!



    NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCER MS. ARIELA SOLSOL MET HER DECEASED ABORTED CHILDREN DURING HER BRUSH WITH DEATH AND VENGEANCE AGAINST THEIR MOM WAS NOT WHAT THEY WANTED! BUT THERE ARE SOME HORRIBLE PREDATORS ON THIS EARTH WHO HAVE MADE A FORTUNE OFF BODY PARTS FROM ABORTED BABIES, AND I AM SURE THEY WOULD LOVE TO SEE TEHM INDICTED SO THAT THE PROCESS COULD BEGIN FOR THEM TO REPENT AS SO MANY DO IN JAIL!

    .....

    WHEN A SATANIST CLUES TO THE PROBABILITY THAT FORMER COVERING CHERUB HILLEL MAY BE ACTING IN THE MIND SET OF STANLEY MILGRAM PH.D. THEN A TSUNAMI WAVE OF REPENTANCES CAN SWEEP THROUGH SATAN'S KINGDOM..... AND IT WILL BE DIVIDED AND WILL FALL FAST!!!!



    So between now and July 7, 2022.... it is best that we wake a lot of people up to what really matters!

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    I cannot choose any of your options in your poll..... because the most guilty people, in my opinion..... are pretty much at the top...... they tend to believe in the economic philosophy of Malthusian Catastrophe Theory and neo-Malthusian thought..... and they have been using their BigMedia and their bought out political leaders to promote deceiving women into choosing to have an abortion due to the economic pressure that they have put on women...... to make them feel that that is their best option under their set of circumstances?!

    Here are the statistics for deaths among African Americans since 1973:
    Abortion............15.5 million
    Heart disease.....2,715, 416
    Cancer ...............2,568,040
    Accidents ..............447,803
    Violent crimes .......354,392
    AIDS .....................245,322

    I believe that this was set up.......
    and something happened here in Canada back in 1974 that made this trend possible in the USA.

    Here is one of the major reasons why Canadian women feel pressured into having an abortion. They feel that our economic situation leaves them with really no choice other than to take the risk of living in relative poverty along with their child. This situation has been forced on them and we need to be more well informed about this.
    After P. M. Pierre E. Trudeau's colossal error here is how the national debt of
    Canada spiralled out of control:

    Many wealthy people believe that the only way to keep the lower class working
    hard is to keep them head over heels in debt and kind of hungry. Lower class people choosing to have an abortion is a positive thing in the minds of a lot of people who consider themselves to be the ELITE!
    Here is how I explained this back in 2006 when I campaigned for the office of M. L. A. as an independent:

    From 1940 to 1974 the Government of Canada put roughly half of the total money supply into the economy through loans issued through the federally owned Bank of Canada. Provincial and municipal governments could borrow the money to build roads, schools, hospitals and sewage treatment facilities at zero or one percent interest. In 1974 we changed our system and since that time a higher and higher percentage of all government debt is financed through loans issued through privately owned banks. At this time it is ninety eight percent. This policy may be great for our banking sector but it was estimated that in the one year of 1995 alone our federal government could have saved roughly SIXTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS in interest payments if we had gone back to creating half the total money supply through these low interest rate loans issued through the bank that is OWNED BY ALL CANADIANS.
    Considering that our deficit was approximately thirty billion dollars for that year, simply by changing back to an already proven monetary and banking system, we could theoretically have had a FEDERAL BUDGET SURPLUS OF THIRTY FIVE BILLION DOLLARS in 1995.

    The massive cutbacks in the Canadian military, in health care, highway construction, social programs and education were profoundly affected by these accounting practices?

    So what can you and I do about this problem?
    My 2006, 2008, 2016 and 2004 campaign writings as ART.
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    The plan to use economic pressure to increase the probability of women choosing to have an abortion got ramped up here in Canada in 1974.... one year after Roe vs Wade was passed in the United States.
    WE ARE NOT DEALING HERE WITH STUPID PEOPLE WHO CANNOT PREDICT THE BEHAVIOR OF THE MAJORITY OF HUMANS... WITHIN A CERTAIN SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES!!!!

    (Ms. Betty Krawczyk ) ....
    "Who should be CRIMALLY punished for having an abortion?"
     
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    WHAT WAS SHOWN TO THE GIFTED MARY K. BAXTER HINTS AT THE IDEA THAT FORMER COVERING CHERUB HILLEL WHO IS KNOWN TO CHRISTIANS AS LUCIFER.... may be acting significantly in the spirit, the intent and the mind set of the Stanley Milgram Ph. D. experiment.




    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-and-the-media.331262/page-3#post-1072106575


     
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    If a former Satanist..... can overcome the rage that is there in their hearts.... .and give up on harming living things like kittens and other animals......then they can rise up to become some of the greatest servants to the King of all kings in this The Battle of the Great Day of the LORD Almighty!

    Perhaps that is actually what Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan.... and Abner Paul Azazel Baalzebub and Delilah Jezebel Gomer Mary Magdalene Lilith actually are hoping that many of their servants the Theistic Satanists will actually become........??????


    https://vimeopro.com/vfndc/final-quest-the-call-the-harvest/video/414170858


    TEXTVIDEO THE FINAL QUEST BY RICK JOYNER
     
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    I guess another way of asking this question would involve the possibility of String Theory being valid.... and there being eleven or perhaps even twenty six invisible dimensions of space time.......
    if so.... then......

    Could former Covering Cherub Hillel who is known to Christians as Lucifer.. ... be acting in the mind set of Stanley Milgram Ph. D?


    IF SO.... then YHWH / The G-d of Abraham and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in His resurrected form........ has cooperated to at least some degree.......

    and these psychological experiments on all of us have been permitted by the Being of Light of near death experience fame... who I believe is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in His resurrected form..... at least in a high percentage of cases...............

    In my opinion... .YHWH / The G-d of Abraham and Messiah Yeshua - Jesus HAVE BEEN WISE IN ALLOWING STANLEY MILGRAM LUCIFER SATAN TO EXPERIMENT ON US.........
    BECAUSE THE RESULT WILL BE THE HUMBLING OF ALL OF US FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST EXACTLY AS PREDICTED BY ISAIAH!!!!!


    Isaiah 57:15
    "For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit,to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heartof the contrite ones."


    Since the fall of former Covering Cherub Hillel.... the G-d of Abraham WILL NOT DWELL WITH PROUD ANGELS OR PROUD PEOPLE SO...........
    STANLEY MILGRAM LUCIFER SATAN IS DOING US SOMETHING OF A FAVOUR BY HUMBLING US.......
    AND DR. TONY FAUCI HAS ALSO HUMBLED MANY OF US WHO ARE WELL UP THERE IN THE TOP ONE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION FOR WEALTH AND EDUCATION!!!!

    TODAY IS YOM KIPPUR SO I AM AGAIN PONDERING WHY THE NAME AZAZEL IS THERE IN LEVITICUS 16:10 and this is what I am coming up with so far today......!!


    !http://www.politicalforum.com/index...a-heroic-figure.588883/page-2#post-1073768246


    Could Dr. Tony Fauci be a heroic figure????


    I kind of hate to admit it... but Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan has came up with some fascinating research on us humans!!!!!!!


    Another way of looking at this topic would be.....
    could my Premier RESIST OFFERS OF THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE IF..... BigPharma and / or Bill Gates and / or George Soros and / or other wealthy people who tend to collect politicians........
    decided that your Premier was worth bribing????????????????????


    .... "I think that Bill Gates is in A LOT of trouble!!!!!!

    This sounds to me like evidence that he was quite serious in his 2010 TedX lecture "Innovation to zero." "


    ......

     
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    IN MY OPINION THIS VIDEO IS BRILLIANT... AND MAKES SENSE OUT OF WORLD EVENTS ESPECIALLY SINCE 2012!!!!!!!



    Jonathan Cahn: How the Bible Points to Today | FULL TEACHING | Praise on TBN

    ISAIAH 45..... " Cyrus, God’s Instrument
    45 Thus says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus,
    whose right hand I have grasped,
    to subdue nations before him
    and ungird the loins of kings,
    to open doors before him
    that gates may not be closed:
    2 “I will go before you
    and level the mountains,
    I will break in pieces the doors of bronze
    and cut asunder the bars of iron,
    3 I will give you the treasures of darkness
    and the hoards in secret places,
    that you may know that it is I, the Lord,
    the God of Israel, who call you by your name.
    4 For the sake of my servant Jacob,
    and Israel my chosen,
    I call you by your name,
    I surname you, though you do not know me.
    5 I am the Lord, and there is no other,
    besides me there is no God;
    I gird you, though you do not know me,
    6 that men may know, from the rising of the sun
    and from the west, that there is none besides me;
    I am the Lord, and there is no other.
    7 I form light and create darkness,
    I make weal and create woe,
    I am the Lord, who do all these things.

    8 “Shower, O heavens, from above,
    and let the skies rain down righteousness;
    let the earth open, that salvation may sprout forth,
    and let it cause righteousness to spring up also;
    I the Lord have created it.

    9 “Woe to him who strives with his Maker,
    an earthen vessel with the potter!
    Does the clay say to him who fashions it, ‘What are you making?’
    or ‘Your work has no handles’?
    10 Woe to him who says to a father, ‘What are you begetting?’
    or to a woman, ‘With what are you in travail?’”
    11 Thus says the Lord,
    the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker:
    “Will you question me about my children,
    or command me concerning the work of my hands?
    12 I made the earth,
    and created man upon it;
    it was my hands that stretched out the heavens,
    and I commanded all their host.
    13 I have aroused him in righteousness,
    and I will make straight all his ways;
    he shall build my city
    and set my exiles free,
    not for price or reward,”
    says the Lord of hosts.


    14 Thus says the Lord:
    “The wealth of Egypt and the merchandise of Ethiopia,
    and the Sabe′ans, men of stature,
    shall come over to you and be yours,
    they shall follow you;
    they shall come over in chains and bow down to you.
    They will make supplication to you, saying:
    ‘God is with you only, and there is no other,
    no god besides him.’”
    15 Truly, thou art a God who hidest thyself,
    O God of Israel, the Savior.
    16 All of them are put to shame and confounded,
    the makers of idols go in confusion together.
    17 But Israel is saved by the Lord
    with everlasting salvation;
    you shall not be put to shame or confounded
    to all eternity.




    COULD IT BE THAT STANLEY MILGRAM LUCIFER SATAN IS TERRIBLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE LUKEWARM ATTITUDE AND THE PRIDE.... AND THE JEALOUSY AND THE SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS IN THE BRIDE OF MESSIAH.... THE CHURCH.... THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE AND ARE LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IN ALL THE WORLD NO MATTER WHAT BUILDING THEY WORSHIP IN????????????????

    DID THE ATTACK ON JOB...... CAUSE JOB TO LEARN A LOT RATHER QUICKLY?????

    YES!!!!
     
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    Ask them to produce empirical evidence for Satan. Then show them your empirical empirical evidence for God. That should do the trick (so to speak).
     
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    There is evidence that Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan is
    actually serving Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in a powerful way..........

    Satanists and high level occultists feel that they are going to be rewarded in the dark realm of the afterlife.......
    but like the authority figure of the Milgram Research........ that is a lie designed to HUMBLE Satan's servants more than anybody else in the afterlife.





    Near death experiencer Christian Andreason was shown what happens over the longer term in the afterlife once Satanists and occultists have been humbled and realize that they have been terribly deceived during this lifetime.


    https://near-death.com/christian-andreason-nde/


     
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    Fascinating!

    I felt that it was time to get this discussion going from a somewhat different angle.

    I don't claim to fully understand what it means that the name "Azazel" is there in Leviticus 16"10 in the original Hebrew but.....

    surely YHWH would not put that name there to play any sort of practical joke on Azazel....whoever Azazel is??????!!!!

    Surely there is HOPE for the unsaved deceased..... and the name Azazel in Leviticus hints at something huge that is happening in the invisible realms around us and yes..... the fallen Watchers are definitely connected to "ALIENS" as the Book of Enoch makes abundantly clear.


    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus 16&version=ESV


     
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    Dennis ! --- thanks for reaching out .. been meaning to have a talk about the Gods of the Bible so your timing is good.

    We don't need to understand the details of the Desert God Azazel -- only that YHWH saw fit to offer sacrifice to appease this God .. encountering Gods a normal thing for YHWH -- unfortunately losing the Battle to the God of the Moabites .. Chemosh ... but losing one battle does not make a war .. YHWH eventually Triumphing over the 69 Sons of The Supreme One - EL Oliun - vying for who gets to be Chief God on Earth .. Usurping the position of EL .. who then takes his place as head of the Divine Council in the Heavens

    detailed for us in Psalm 82 -- 1. YHWH stands in the assembly of El; in the midst of the gods he renders judgment.

    The rest of Ps 82 has YHWH defeating the "Sons of the Supreme one" The Supreme one obviously EL .. as it these sure are not YHWH's kids.
    Unfortunately the triumph does not last for ever .. YHWH is eventually destroyed by Marduk .. the place where his name resides .. wiped out of existence. and there was never any coming back from that .. like Baal came back from Mot .. the God Resurrected by Judaism under Persia was not "YHWH" but the God of the Annointed one of God.. The Messiah Cyrus .. and for the first in history we have a form of Monotheism adopted by this new religion Judaism .. complete with a new God .. not the anthropormorphic .. and sorry but "Lesser God" YHWH .. who was presumably male .. having wife Asherah .. Queen of Heaven.. Not this new God .. this is one of the Primordial Gods .. Uncreated .. sexless .. the Persian's called this Patron God Ahura Mazda .. kind of nice to have a God named after a car .

    Now Ha Satan --- and many think it is YHWH who was the demiurge -- but, it wasn't our poor Tester of Souls .. the Adversary .. of Job .. now this God has some heavy powers .. fire down from the sky .. but is subordinate to his Father .. El Shaddai Chief God of the Canaanite Pantheon ..

    Now if we move into the New Testament this Ha Satan fellow .. is the one sent by God to test Jesus .. now this Son of the Supreme one is Chief God over all the Earth .. Notice Jesus is sent out into the Desert for the Ritual testing .. prior to actualizing the shard of the all-spark given to him at his baptism .. I don't know that this means Ha Satan is necessarily related to Azazel but .. perhaps someone can make something of it. YHWH is a desert God of a kind as well .. wandering 40 years in the desert .. heh heh.. but too far into speculation.

    Jesus passes with flying colors .. and sets about on his ministry .. the first "Annointed one of God" since Cyrus .. the next messiah since Cyrus but who is the God of this Messiah ? this God who sent Satan to test Jesus. same God who sent Ha Satan to Test Job ..

    Tell you who .. Jesus a Priest forever in the Order of Melchi-Zedek according to Hebrews 6 .. which answers our question if you know your Bible History. Do you know your history from here Dennis :) Who is the God of this Priestly Order .. of which King David Psalm 110 and Jesus are members. Who is the God that the Priests of this Order worship ... aka .. The God of Abraham .. !
     
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    Fascinating..... thank you for all of this!

    A decade or so ago I read a near death experience account by a woman from Iran.... who now lives in Spain....
    who was shown that the Seven Spirits of G-d that are mentioned several times.....
    are the fourteen Elohim of Genesis chapter one.......

    She was shown that these Seven Spirits of G-d are twins... a male and a female pair......

    Near death experiencer Kevin Zadai Th. D. was shown that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus who met him during his 1992 NDE could remember creating former
    Covering Cherub Helel at the time that the temptations of Matthew chapter four took place.....
    ..... so that would mean that the Spirit of Moshiach that was stored in Gan Eden that was bestowed on Rabbi Yeshua was the Word = the Logos
    taking over fully in a human temple...... [ I assume that the Word - Logos of ancient books refers to the oldest of the Elohim]???
    .....
    ......
    The near death experiencer from Iran was shown that all eight billion of us on earth have a spark from one of those Fourteen Elohim within us.....
    ....
    which made former Covering Cherub Helel, [Lucifer Satan, the Tempter].... really jealous of the plans of the Ancient of Days for us humans!


    The Book of Enoch reveals that Azazel was the king of the Watchers who fell because of the daughters of Cain and Luluwa.....
    .... If I remember correctly there were 208 Watchers who fell along with Azazel.

    In a way... .this would make Azazel something like a son in law to Adam and Eve because it mentions in the Book of Enoch that the children and grandchildren of the Watchers and the daughters of Cain and Luluwa were giants... and they became predatory and even cannibalistic. Thus the earth was filled with violence before the flood of the time of Noah.

    I have read a lot of conflicting information about MelchiZedek over the years......

    I really don't know who he really was.....
    but it sure does sound as if aliens and angels and fallen angels had a lot of contact with humans in the past.....
    ....
    The pyramids and other buildings indicate technology far beyond what we have even now in 2024.

    I am guessing that MelchiZedek was sent to teach humans so that the take over of the giant children of the Watchers and the daughters of men could be held back until the correct timing???!


    You may find it pretty amazing how well the near death experience account of former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava fits with Matthew chapter four.....
    and his teachings since his 2001 brush with death remind me of the simple and down to earth teachings of Matthew chapters five, six and seven.


    I do believe that the part of Ezekiel chapter thirty seven about the Stick of Joseph being twisted together with the Stick of Judah and Levi is happening!





    www.alonanava.com'
    Rabbi Alon Anava's second near death experience is even more astonishing in some ways because he meets the Baal Shem Tov and then is shown
    a gigantic dark angel who sure sounds like a former Covering Cherub......

    and what Rabbi Alon Anava is shown about what this angels is saying.....
    sound to me like this angel is doing "Teshuvah" and going forth to get rid of idolatry?????!!!


    You are going to want to go to the 1:11:00 mark in this video about the second near death experience account of Rabbi Alon Anava and Revelations chapter 12 will begin to make a lot more sense.

    Revelation 12:9
    "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."





    Rabbi Anava's 2nd Near Death Experience! And the message we need to be focusing on!
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    To my thinking... all of this seems to fit with a pronouncement of another online near death experiencer friend that I knew about a decade or so ago....

    I am thinking that the most ancient Intelligence has big plans for the fallen angels... that will eventually fit with.....

    "Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little." [Luke 7:47]
     
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    I rather suspect that MelchiZedek might have been Shem... the oldest son of Noah.....
    who perhaps got that new name much as Jacob's name was eventually changed to Israel.....

    Abraham was taught by MelchiZedek and Shem lived into the life time of Abraham.....
    Esau.. the oldest son of Isaac killed Nimrod according to the Book of Jasher.....

    https://sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/27.htm

    Thos valuable garments were the leather garments worn by Adam originally.
     
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    NDE - had one when about 9-10 - German Measles -- into the light -- up in the surreal Salvador Dali realm -- taken by a guide/angel to the Godhead .. where you don't really see anything .. the question comes .. Do you wanna stay or go back .. and here I am.

    Elohim - at least 70 Sons of EL - Asherah -- among which the peoples of the earth were divided -- YHWH's portion Jacob. Deut 32:8 - (not MT Translation) .. LXX or Qumran will do fine ... something prior to the birth of HeyZeus ... all in good affection.

    All fighting for the Crown --- Chief God on Earth .. thing there are a few Son's of Enki in the running as well ... details get complicated but, the main idea is simple .. The Sons are battling each other to see who will take EL's position as Chief God on Earth .. EL is then elevated to head of the Divine Council in the heavens .. Psalm 82 mentions the famous Assembly of EL .. which surely you have heard have you not ? the Divine Council .. .. of course you have.

    Thing is - if you are a Hittite, Jesubite, Ammorite, Assyrian, Babylonian, Midianite, Israelite, Egyptian, Canaanite, Philistine, Phonecian, Greek, Sardinia, Minoan ... Indo European .. wandering about the planet at the time of the Israelites ~1300-700 BC .. Everybody knows about the Divine Council of EL .. sure as any 10 yr old North American Kid knows Bambi back in the 1970's

    So even if you don't .. These folks did .. Abraham and Terah too .. Psalm 82

    YHWH stands in the assembly of El; in the midst of the Elohim he renders judgment.

    So lets is forget about extra canonical material -- not that I do not enjoy very much .. but to focus on what did make it .. now fortunately a little less washed clean of all those nasty other divinities.. above is the New English Translation. The council of EL Clearly identified .. YHWH is in heaven making a presentation .. Psalm 82 NET - Psalm 82 - A psalm of Asaph. God stands - Bible Gateway

    and the Sons of God .. a good many of them if not all .. are present. and that's all we need to understand for the moment ... Now on to Melchi-Zedek

    What is in a name ? Zedek - The Twin Gods of Righteousness and Justice. Fitting for the Patron God of the City of Peace - Jerusalem. Such is this Canaanite Holy City .. more of a town in the hills .. but a very well fortified one .. ahh the days of walled cities .. Each of which had a Patron God .. the Priest-King named after that God or another high God in the Pantheon. .. but lets call this Canaanite Priest of the Most High God - bit of a mistranslation there its actually EL Oliun .. EL Supreme/ God Supreme .. where EL Elyon is God most high. these are similar epithets but we want to get the actual one correct .. in the meeting between Abraham and Melchi-Zedek .. Priest of the Supreme God gen14.pdf (scripture4all.org)

    This is important because in Psalm 82 verse 5 this same EL Oliun is used to describe the Son of God .. Sons of God Supreme .. which is obviously not YHWH .. but EL

    EL is the God of the Patriarchs .. the Biblical Scholars are not lying on this one. Now from this time on in Jerusalem .. ~ 1800 BC and who knows how much further back it goes .. there has been a Priestly Order of Melchi-Zedek. The Twin Gods of Justice and Righteousness sit at the right hand of God The Father .. EL Supreme .. at the divine Council .. in case you were wondering what their job description is. .. a little different than the Tester of Souls .. another Son of God known as The Adversary.

    So the God of this Priestly order .. is not YHWH .. but EL. which is really important .. because that means that this is the God Supreme .. to all the priests of this order .. Right ?

    Who are two other priests in this Order that you know friend ? Focus ..
     
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    Wow.... I am so glad that you inspired me to read Psalms 82 again.....
    twice already today........

    This Psalm seems to get at the core of the conflict that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus had with the Scribes and Pharisees.....



    The Scribes and Pharisees could not imagine that one of The Elohim had breathed something into their grandparents Adam and Eve that made them truly also "Children of G-d ... El... the Elohim."


    I love the idea of their truly being Seventy..... as opposed to merely fourteen...... that sure does make sense...... One true Son and Daughter of El for every nation on earth!

    And I do believe that millions and millions and millions and millions of true Children of El ... G-d... Elohim are being prepared right now!

    I believe that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus played out the role of Messiah the Passover Lamb......
    and now in 2024 i believe that a modern Yom Kippur event is being prepared......

    and it could be many practitioners of the occult who do a radical turn around in their lives.....
    and they run with the idea of a modern Yom Kippur event... much like we might catch and run with a football!


    I believe that as the hidden meaning in Yom Kippur is worked out.....
    many of us will make it up to a "priestly" level of consciousness similar to Moses..... who offered himself up to be blotted out of the Book of Life..... in the place of the twelve tribes of Israel...... [but of course it was not the will of El.. G-d.. our Creator to blot out Moses].

    ..... Samuel was also an astonishingly gifted high priest who played a huge role in the raising up of King David to Moshiach level Consciousness.....

    John the Baptist was of the priestly line and he understood things that the official high priests were not understanding.......

    I believe that Noah served as the high priest on earth during his time period.... he also was a prophet and he warned all the world of what was coming.

    Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus predicted that his twelve disciples would rule over the twelve tribes of Israel.....
    so one of the leading disciples must have been descended from Levi.... I would guess either Cephas - Peter or perhaps John due to their writings...
    and the critical role that they played in the Messianic Jewish community of the first century.

    Near death experiencer Kevin Zadai was shown that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus went into the lowest level of hell during the three days that he
    was in the grave, [in C. E,. thirty one the First Day of Unleavened Bread was on a Thursday so I am guessing He went to hell at sunset on Wednesday night after being crucified Wednesday during the day.... and then I believe He was resurrected at the end of the Sabbath... and thus was already risen on the morning of the First Day of the Week, Sunday morning.. .when Mary Magdalene went to his tomb].

    Having played out the role of Messiah the Passover Lamb....
    I believe that this gave Messiah Yeshua - Jesus the right to judge each of us.....
    which I believe fits with the Life Review of near death experience accounts!

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+5&version=ESV

    You have a lot in common with near death experiencer Kevin Zadai....
    he also had a profound experience at ten years of age... but he didn't have his near death experience until he was thirty one, [1992].

    I have read that it was the fact that El.. Elohim.... G-d was creating CHILDREN through Adam and Eve and their children.... that drove Covering Cherub Helel into EXTREME JEALOUSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Dr. Richard Eby’s NDE and the Second Coming of Christ
    BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 26, 2019


     
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    OK -- the issue of HeyZeus with the scribes. ... tell you about the epithet .. u see mate .. when you pass through judgement and enter through the pearly gates .. What song will they be playing upon the your arrival back .. into the heavenly abode.. then when you visit with your mates .. now remembering all your past lives .. vacations I call them --- can watch a million channels in heaven .. reality TV shows on a million different worlds .. in many different universe .. choose your next vacation. Now .. not to many rules in heaven but the vacation rule is one of them.... that while on vacation .. not gonna remember your past lives. .. you go to the vacation place .. they give you blue pill .. you lie down .. go to sleep .. and when you wake up .. the "I AM" moment .. you are on your next vacation .. the soul has entered a fleshy abode on some world that you will be born into.

    but I digress ... one of the other rules while in heaven refers to if you encounter the Big Guy .. Most High .. will be dressed in sandals smoking a pipe full of heavenly hash ... and the rule is .. Absolutely no blowing smoke up the ass of the most high .. specially while he is High .. which is all the time .. no praises .. no compliments .. just be cool .. relax .. and chill.

    See .. what happened .. after the first Trillion years of every entity Jah encountered .. doing nothing but blowing smoke up his backside 24/7 got way to lame and boring .. so he made the rule .. Right ? .. so just chill .. and call out Hey Zeus .. Zeus of course being the Greek version of Enlil - EL .. God of Abe and Jesus .. so its a play on Jesus being converted to the Most High .. which he is not .. but that is another matter.

    K - When David sacks Jerusalem ~ 1000 BC.. the name of the king is .. wait for it .. and remember that Melchi-Zedek was the name of the Canaanite Priest King 800 years prior . Do you know the name of this king ? Adoni-Zedek Go Figure - aye mate ? this priesthood lasted at least 800 years .. but so sad .. all has to end .. the Israelites have come .. and the Priesthood of YHWH must supplant the old order .. Right .. and normally after the slaughter of what ever Pagan Priesthood at the time .. with everyone else in the city .. "Cleansing of the Land" From the River to the Sea.

    Do you understand - .. The Priesthood must be replaced .. the Priesthood of YHWH must supplant the Priesthood of EL .. Right ?? !!

    Do you understand Dennis ? .. The Pagan Priesthood must be supplanted by the cult of YHWH .. in the most holy city of Jerusalem .. the Jebusites driven off or preferably killed as per Lord YHWHs instruction ..... DO YOU UNDERSTAND .. that this must be so ?

    BUT, that's not what happened is it !? (make sure to learn chess notation for full experience) - IS IT !? .. What happened Dennis .. What did Good King David .. the anointed one of God .. do with the nasty Priesthood of Melchi-Zedek . ? The Bible tells us that David keeps the High priest on .. chooses him over the levitical High priest of Israel at the time .. .. Crazy Right ? .. what is the name of this high priest ? What's in a name Dennis ?

    Zadok -- Go figure .. the priest who anoints King Solomon's head with Oil .. is a Priest forever in the order Melchi-Zedek

    and now for Scripture .. Psalm 110 -

    Here is Gods proclamation to my lord:
    “Sit down at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.”
    2 God extends your dominion from Zion.
    Rule in the midst of your enemies.
    3 Your people willingly follow you when you go into battle.
    On the holy hills at sunrise the dew of your youth belongs to you.
    4 God makes this promise on oath and will not revoke it:
    “You are an eternal priest of the Order of Melchizedek.”

    the person being referred to as "my Lord" is King David .. the anointed one of God .. a Priest forever of the Order Melchi-Zedek.

    This priesthood continues .. perhaps unto the next anointed one King Cyrus -- this is complicated but reasonable speculation .. What is not speculation is that the next anointed one of God is Jesus .. like David before him and possibly Cyrus .. is Hebrews 6: 20 where Jesus our forerunner entered on our behalf, since he became a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.

    Getting to your question about the Pharisees .. In Judaism you have two paths .. or rather 2 schools .. the Hillel school .. and the other who's name I cant remember .. look it up if you like :) Now you know there are two priesthoods .. that of EL .. that of YHWH .. begging the rhetorical question "Which was the priesthood of Jesus" !

    The rock on which the ministry of Jesus rests .. the foundation stone.. Matt 7:12 .. Don't do to others what you hate .. "THIS RULE SUMS UP THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS" ...

    U Understand ?? .. what part don't you get .. SUMS up the law and the prophets" .. Does the Christos have to bang hammer on head ? could he have banged any harder .. cause if so I want to know how

    Now listen for those who have ears ... Rabbi Hillel 100 BC to 10 AD .. Massively famous .. having a school bearing his name .. and if for nothing else being so *******ned old ! The Rabbi on who's knee an enterprising young student named Yeshua sat.. and heard the Great Teacher tell a story.. about an unbeliever who challenged the Rabbi to sum up the entire Torah whilst standing on one foot ..

    The Rabbi replied .. Don't do to others what you hate .. the rest is all commentary .. now go and Learn ..

    Jesus didn't like the Pharisees and the Law-Givers much .. had no use for the priesthood of YHWH .. hearken Ye to the Priestly Order of MelChi-Zedek .. The prince of Peace .. the god of Justice and Righteousness who sitteth at the right hand of "The Father" - Hallowed be thy name" .. playing his role in the Divine council..
     

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