I Will Not Comply

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  1. 6Gunner

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    For those who don't know: frustration, outrage, and defiance are growing in the community of current and former law enforcement officers. Some of us do take our oaths to the Constitution seriously.

    Officer On Gun Control: I WILL NOT COMPLY
    Posted by Dan McIsaac | Dec 16, 2018 | Must Reads, Editorial, Featured | 28,818

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    I WILL NOT COMPLY.

    The New Jersey Attorney General has banned large capacity magazines. They have refused to rule out door to door enforcement and wide spread confiscation.

    There’s something residents need to know.

    I WILL NOT COMPLY.

    Liberal politicians ARE coming for our guns and ammunition. It starts slowly, like forcing you to turn in magazines that you paid for and have been legal until now.

    Do they really believe we’re going to knock on doors and disarm our fellow citizens? Do they expect us to put our lives on the line to enforce unconstitutional orders?

    I WILL NOT COMPLY.

    I might be an officer in New Jersey. But you will never know my name… because if you did, I would lose my ability to provide for my family.

    The truth is that I could be an officer anywhere. In your town or city. In your state. You will never know who I am… but you know me. I am your neighbor. I am your friend. I am your protector.

    All you need to know is one thing. No matter how many anti-gun orders you decide to make… no matter how you use the media to get your message out… no matter how you try and politicize police departments…

    I WILL NOT COMPLY.

    My oath isn’t to politicians. It’s to serve and protect. It’s to defend the Constitution. It’s not to be a pawn. My oath is to the country and Her people.

    Last week, New Jersey banned active police officers from possessing their duty weapons while off duty. Apparently they’re going to change that thanks to media and union pressure.

    The union. A collection of those who, in many cases, have traded their spines for a few pennies. They never should have allowed this to happen.


    New Jersey “leaders” have also made it clear they don’t recognize the provisions of the federal Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA). It’s an act that allows retired officers to carry our weapons or hollow point ammunition.

    Our Attorney General says it applies only to those who carry firearms in interstate commerce, and that if we aren’t leaving the state immediately, it doesn’t count. That’s NOT why it was created.

    Free Freedom Stick? See What This Arms Company Is Doing For America.

    But you can’t expect these liberal elitists who have never been shot at to understand that.

    The point of it was to protect us and our families from criminals looking to get revenge and to protect those of us who have become targets thanks to the war that was launched on us by liberal politicians. It was to allow us to be able to respond quickly. Because unlike those who sit on their high horses, we actually run TOWARDS gun fire and danger.

    Now New Jersey officials they won’t recognize that law.

    I WILL NOT COMPLY.

    New Jersey’s law over gun magazines with a 10 round limit went into effect on December 10 and there’s no exception for law enforcement, meaning that we’re all breaking the law by carrying our assigned duty weapons while off duty.

    Bergen County Prosecutor Dennis Calo issued a memorandum to us as a reminder that the prohibition of the possession of large-capacity ammunition magazines didn’t just apply to our neighbors… it also applied to us when we are off duty.

    I WILL NOT COMPLY.

    In May, the city council in Boulder, Colorado voted to ban possession of high capacity magazines, bump stocks and so-called assault rifles. They grandfathered in people who already own the rifles. But they said in order to continue legally owning them, residents are required to “certify” their guns with the police by December 27.


    Residents have been told there is no database of gun owners being made (like anyone buys that).

    But they ARE keeping a record of the number of rifles reported.

    Read More: Police Frustration Is Rising

    So far… the number reported is 87. Officials say there are duplicate certificates in that count, making the true number even lower.

    There are more than 100,000 people in the city, and CBS News puts gun ownership in Colorado at more than 34 percent.

    That means there’s still somewhere around 34,000 firearms that aren’t certified.

    It’s worth pointing out that Colorado has about 5,300 uniformed members of the Army National Guard.

    Does anyone think patriots like me are going to truly just hand over or report our weapons to be listed on a database?

    Do these officials believe officers like me are going to ultimately go to war with our own neighbors over confiscation?

    I WILL NOT COMPLY.

    My brothers and sisters, please don’t confuse those of us who hold the thin blue line with those who are trying to destroy it.

    I am not alone.

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    (Long post so I didnt repeat it all)

    The day is coming when people will have to make hard choices. Its "that day" in New Jersey for some.

    The real moment of truth will come when the govt orders home searches and starts arresting people. Some cops will do it, some will not, it will be interesting to see what happens to various law enforcement agencies (local, state, federal) and how they interact with each other.
     
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    Lots and lots of others will
     
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    I thought you are not for gun bans? Just cheer the steady erosion of gun rights?
     
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    Just stating the facts
     
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    Anytime I see Vegas, I automatically assume TROLL It’s a safe bet for inane and insulting views.
     
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    God bless Texas.
     
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    There is another side to this coin. I work in Corrections and interact with LEO's on a daily basis. Many of them (not all, but a significant number) view civilians, especially armed civilians, as the enemy. No doubt, it must be nerve wracking walking up to a car you just pulled over, not knowing if that civilian is armed or not. I have heard it expressed by some that "civilians should not be armed".

    It's a "Fine for me, but none for thee" mentality, and these cops are not liberal snowflakes. Quite the contrary.

    My bet is that a significant number of LEO's would have no problem going door to door to confiscate whatever has been deemed illegal, be that "assault weapons", or "high capacity magazines".
     
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    The vast majority of cops I deal with love a legally armed populace. Since getting my LTC, about 3 out of 4 cops let me go with just a warning after speeding stops. Yeah, I know that I speed too much.
     
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    Well, if there is a gun in the room, I’d prefer to be the one in possession of it.
    I have a lot of LE friends. I know many that feel little understood by civilians, and that tend to socialize with others in LE because of shared experiences they have in daily work life that few civilians can relate with. Then too, many feel alienated by those that consume MSM and see many in LE not much different than many of the public saw Vietnam Nam Vets returning from the war in the height of the peace protest years. It’s difficult to serve those that hold you in distain for doing your job and protecting them while the MSM gleefully reports those police shot in doing that duty, almost celebrating those instances as some sort of justice against ‘the enemy’. On one hand the MSM, the politicians and liberals vilify LE and then suggest that they should be the only ones armed...makes no sense... to any sane person.
    In interactions I have had while being armed with LE, have all been cordial, in large part because of my attitude, compliance, courtesy, and cooperation which according to the conversation with my aquaintenances, and they seem in consensus, makes all the difference in the world. I have never heard a single one advocate for disarming the law abiding, but more than one suggest they have no problem with law abiding civilian gun owners.
    Several, know of my work and knowledge on fire arms and have brought guns to me to repair (getting one, a 41mag super blackhawk to trouble shoot tomorrow) and I have had others seek my advice on various guns/ammo.
    There are those that might do confiscations and those that might decline; they are human... some liberal, some not.
    If this government attempted a mass confiscation, it will be accompanied by the suppression of more rights than the 2nd protects, signaling to many, a threat to the Constitution justifying resistance. It doesn’t take huge numbers of those willing to resist to result in an unwinable asymmetrical war that can last decades as has been seen in the North of Ireland example between ‘69-‘95.
     
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    I don't disagree. However, I have range time with more than a few LEO's that I work with. You, obviously, have working, professional, relationships with them. We aren't the "others" that I have heard some of them refer to.

    That said, I temper my interaction with LEO's I do not know personally with big doses of respect, humility, and attempts at looking as harmless as possible. I leave my hands out in the open, I answer their questions clearly and concisely, and I never turn my back on them (which is as much for my safety as it is theirs).

    I did not grow up fearing the police. My stepfather was an LAPD patrolman throughout the 70's and 80's. He taught me how to respond to LEO's. Today is a completely different ballgame.

    Although I do not live a life that puts me in orbit around LEO's except for my job, on the few occasions over the last couple of years that I did need to interact with them, I noticed a distinct change in their attitude and their level of almost hyper-alertness. It unsettled me, and I could not wait for the encounter to be over.

    This was not how I was raised. They were supposed to be my protector, there for the public good. I was not supposed to fear them if I had done nothing wrong. And even if I did, I would be treated fairly.

    Sadly, I am now in the process of teaching my own children how to interact with authority. My advice is to avoid being in that position in the first place. They are no longer your friends. And they aren't there to help you. Say as little as possible, and keep your hands where they can see them. And, above all, do not question them. Just do what they tell you to do, and live for another day.

    This isn't because of some Liberal MSM agenda. Policing in America has changed fundamentally over the last thirty years. War surplus auctioned off, or given outright, to police departments. Veterans of the twin disasters of Iraq and Afghanistan being recruited to fill the ranks. Young men who were taught that everyone is a suspect, and they are all trying to kill you.

    This made sense in a war zone. It is a recipe for disaster on the streets of America. All this while crime in America is at an all time low.
     
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    States with stricter gun laws have fewer fatal police shootings:

    "This study found that stricter state-level firearm legislation was associated with lower rates of fatal police shootings. For states with the strongest firearm laws, the incidence rate of fatal police shootings was more than 50% lower than for states with the weakest firearm laws. We used data from The Counted to assess rates of fatal police shootings; following existing research that looks at firearm homicide and suicide rates,8 we used data from the Brady Center, which calculates firearm legislative scores by state. Consistent with previous research on fatal police shootings, we found that the majority of fatalities were caused by firearms and that in slightly more than half of these cases the victim was also armed.6,19,20 Victims were overwhelmingly male and disproportionally from a racial/ethnic minority group.6,20,21"
    https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2017.303770

    Lax gun control contributes to an atmosphere of fear and paranoia in which the police are afraid of being shot if they don't shoot first.
     
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    How dare anyone disagree with the pro gunners!
     
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    I like to say, you will NEVER win a pissing match with a cop, only a maroon tries to.

    When you have a LEO interaction, many outcomes are possible. You can be beaten, pepper sprayed, electrocuted, robbed or set up, shot and maybe killed, detained, you and your belongings searched, attacked by a K9, abducted for ransom (assuming you are innocent, otherwise, I have no sympathy it's deserved)

    I am sure I left out a few things. Best case? You can leave and go your way. About the time we teach kids sex ed, we need to teach them how to behave in a LEO interaction, too.
     
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    That's absurd and assumes police are naïve enough to believe criminals will observe gun laws.
     
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    In America cops must assume everyone is armed. It means anything can be misconstrued as a hostile gesture and innocent people get shot
     
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    Thanks for validating my point. Police the world over must assume the same. Criminals simply ignore gun laws and infringements, they only serve to harass the law abiding. This has been repeatedly, pointed out to you.
     
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    No they dont. For example in Japan it would be extremely unlikely to assume they have a gun. Extremely extremely unlikely
     
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    And a fair assumption on the part of the cop. I am always armed and on the rare occasion that I have been stopped by a cop I am very polite in attitude and careful with my movements and let them know I have a gun. Problem solved!
     
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    How did that work for France, the other day?

    How about 2015?

    November 2015 Paris attacks - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks
    The November 2015 Paris attacks were a series of coordinated terrorist attacks that took place on Friday, 13 November 2015 in Paris, France and the city's northern suburb, Saint-Denis. Beginning at 21:16 CET, three suicide bombers struck outside the Stade de France in Saint-Denis, during a football match. This was followed by several mass shootings and a suicide bombing, at cafés and restaurants.

    • Location: Paris and Saint-Denis, France
    • Deaths: 137 (130 victims, 7 perpetrators)
    • Date: 21:16, 13 November 2015 –, 00:58, 14 November 2015 (CET)
    • Non-fatal injuries: 413 (80–99 critically)
     
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    France has very low gun deaths
     
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    LOL, until criminal and extremist illegals cut loose with illegaly obtained guns. Check out that death toll in the 2015 attack, astronomical.

    Are bombs legal in Paris?
     
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    They have very low gun deaths though and that is a fact
     
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    How many dead in one attack in 2015? Not to mention just the other day. Hmmm...maybe it was not the guns, one other common thread connects the attacks, but it's not PC to discuss.

    So let's just go the safe route and blame guns (nevermind they were illegal, and that is also a fact) at the same time we blame forks for obesity
     
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    You can do whatever you like.


    France has very low gun deaths
     

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