ICE telegraphs enforcement plan

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  1. Le Chef

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    Well, I would agree that kicking down the door armed only with an administrative order of removal would be unreasonable. But I don't know that this is ICE practice anyway.

    The article you cite describes people consenting to entry based in the order. This is not unreasonable in my opinion.
     
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    No it isn't. He has relied on legal counsel for it all. We've cited you to 8 usc 1325 over and over again. Trump has no obligation to waive that criminal statute (passed by Congress, not him) in favor of some treaty, which you don't name, I notice. Anyway, when laws do conflict, the President is entitled to enforce them the way he thinks best for America, not the one the Left demands.
     
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    Have to laugh at Democrats telling illegals that police can't enter their homes without a warrant. Illegals sneak across without a Visa but God forbid a Democrat support border patrol enforcing that rule.
     
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    What's your point? I also don't favor machine- gunning children crossing without a visa.
     
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    Remember the "Nine Rules"and that card you carried in your breast pocket ?

    KEY PHRASES
    English Vietnamese

    Halt / Dung Lai

    Lay down your gun / Buong sung xuong

    Put up your hands / Dua tay len

    Keep your hands on your head / Dau tay len dau

    I will search you / Toi Kham ong
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I dunno, Maybe the guy is Mexican. My understanding is you can fly any flag you want in America and the only regulation is that the American flag has to be on top if you're flying it too. And it's all really just etiquette, there's no laws involved. You can legally pee on a American flag if you want, though you better not do it while I'm around.
     
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    Was it Phonetically inclined?
     
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    A flag is a piece of property bought at a store, accordingly anyone can do what they wish to that property to which they own, you would be sued for a tort(around 3k minimum) for your patriotic reactions...
     
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    You're a Vietnam Vet?
     
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    Because of Democratic party policies...yes.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you served in Vietnam, and you support a draft-dodger who compared avoiding STD's to serving in Vietnam? That's really something.
     
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    I was a draft dodger, I Dodged the draft by enlisting in the Marine Corps.

    Bill Clinton was a draft dodger.
    Twice Clinton received his induction orders and twice someone else had to go in Clinton's place.

    Trump was classified 1-Y.
    • 1-Y Qualified for military service only in time of national emergency (classification eliminated 10-Dec-1971)
    Yep, bone spurs in the feet just like flat feet will get you rejected from serving in the military.

    There were 27 million men of military draft age during the Vietnam War era.

    10 million males of military age served.

    8 million on active duty.

    2 million served in the reserves or the Guard.

    15 million were granted deferments mostly student deferments.
     
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    I have trouble believing a Vietnam vet would excuse a draft dodger to this extent, esp. one who compared avoiding STD's to serving in Vietnam.

    Disclosure: I really don't care if someone dodged the draft, but don't be a draft dodger and then start hugging the flag in your 70's. That's really pathetic.
     
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    The question is, did you serve ?

    When did you serve ?

    If you can't say "been there, done that"

    During the Vietnam War era just about every male who registered for college was given a 1-S student deferment if they were registered as a full time student.

    It was SOP when registering for classes back then. It was done on campus when registering for college.

    If you refused to fill out the S-1 student deferment card you were informed if you were inducted during the semester you would not be refunded your tuition fees.

    So just about every male college student applied for the student deferment.

    More deferment s were issued than those who actually served.

    If your draft board was in an urban area where most high school students went on to college, if you didn't have a deferment you were very likely to be inducted.

    If your draft board was in a rural area or inner city area where most didn't attend college after high school their was less a chance of being inducted because there were more men without deferments.

    Bill Clinton avoided the draft by promising to join the ROTC after he returned to the United States.

    Then there was Clinton's infamous draft letter.
     
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    Illegal aliens and the liberal MSM got punked by ICE and President Trump yesterday (Sunday)

    While leftist politicians and the MSM were spreading fear (terror) of massive ICE raids throughout the immigrant neighborhoods...they never happened.

    What was accomplished was video footage of illegal aliens waving Mexican flags while denouncing federal court orders, denouncing the rule of law and demanding abolishing ICE and demanding a America without borders.

    These photos and videos will be used by Trump's reelection campaign and shown in Iowa, fly over America and swing states and American voters will not be happy campers when they see these videos and photographs.
     
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    This is the internet. I've served in every war America's ever fought. I have 28 Medals of Honor and 43 Purple Hearts. You see that guy in the Iwo Jima flag raising picture? The one on the left? Yep, that's me.
     
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    Semper Fi Pfc. Harold Schultz.

    Marines misidentified one man in iconic 1945 Iwo Jima photo
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/23/flag-raiser-marine-iwo-jima-photo/86254440/


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    Marines of the 28th Regiment, 5th Division raise the U.S. flag atop Mount Suribachi on Iwo Jima on Feb. 23, 1945. After more than seven decades, Navy Corpsman John Bradley's name will be replaced in captions with the name of Pvt. 1st Class Harold Schultz.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...d-case-of-mistaken-identity-in-iwo-jima-photo
     
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    Where did the officer lie?
     
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    Video cameras are wonderful things and the attorneys had little choice but to believe because after seeing them at the window we went and arrested them.
     
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    I don't know that he did. I was just curious if that sort of thing goes on a lot.
     
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    The democrats have no clue what Trump is doing yet for some of us it is entirely transparent.

    Trump is keeping the democrats in the news defending illegal aliens and defending the radical far left socialist 'squad' and jumping the shark with their way overused race card. Trump is ALWAYS campaigning.
     
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    The left shows us that all the time.

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    Unless they consent to entry. If they consent without a warrant a warrant does not apply. The only way they can enter without consent is if they have a judicial order and warrant. Administrative orders cannot get warrants. Either way, no warrant is required in public spaces for arrest.
     
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