Idiocracy indeed.

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  1. NetworkCitizen

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    When people have a King/Queen or a dictator, they always know where to aim their rage. In a democracy, half of the people are always convinced they play a role in their own enslavement. They fight among each other instead of identifying the oppressors, who occupy the same position as they have throughout history, those with the monopoly of force and currency, and rule of law.

    Democracy is also worse because the peasants will always vote themselves more goodies and the pandering politicians will have to oblige these wishes to maintain their seat on the golden throne. The politicians also have to grant favors to the interest groups who fund their campaigns. They will promise, borrow and print the nation into insolvency. Welcome to the western democratic socialist nations of the USA and Europe.
     
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    Okay, now what?
     
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    Fear and loathing.
     
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    Boy that's scary.

    Good thing we aren't a democracy I guess.
     
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    Actually, I believe that nations, actually the earth, should be ordered under a sort of natural law. Basically what you are taught from birth about what is right and wrong. People should take more interest in the well-being of their fellow man when he is struggling. Charity loses all meaning when it is confiscated and funneled through a bureaucracy.

    There's no telling how different the world would be without the centuries of people huddled around the designs of a king/dictator/president/parliament/congress. Seems that the world is too dependent at large scales on the functions of a small faction of people and organization.

    I believe that force is not a solution and am a voluntarist. I think that kings/dictators/presidents have made enough war and failed states.
     
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    Whatever you want to call us, we are as the OP describes us. Our politicians are bought and paid for. We have a somewhat unique form of government corruption at play, in that it's systemic at this point and both apparent and unacknowledged.
     
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    What your describing would be a state of anarchy.

    People develop society so that they have rules they can follow, to accomplish things they don't have time for or simply cannot do themselves. If I'm a hunter that may take all my time so I may for a group with a fisherman or farmer so I have more food. In order for that to happen we need to develop some rules that we each agree by. As society's get larger they develop more rules to accomplish more tasks.
     
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    But we are. Restraints of the constitution are virtually nonexistent. Half of the voters, 25% of the people voted for a dear leader who will do what he (*)(*)(*)(*) well pleases.
     
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    Societies. "Society's" is the possessive form.

    Anyway, and then they go on to create too many rules that serve special interests, including those of corrupt politicians, and the state eventually collapses under its own weight.
     
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    Actually we aren't but I will let someone else explain it to you.

    I'm rather tired of explaining what kind of political system we have. Its certainly not a democracy.
     
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    States do love collapsing, especially when they start engaging in empire building or "spreading democracy" or central control on the economy. Welfarism at the epic scale of the western nations is a rather modern concept. It's unsustainable just by the difference in working population vs. people entering retirement.

    Advancements in technology easing globalization, and the competitive capabilities of the rising nations who have embraced open markets are also putting a hurt on the western nations.

    Not sure what we can really do as a nation about all of this.
     
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    I'm not speaking in pure terms but we.do.vote. for representatives of the people, and the people do vote for people who promise them handouts, and the cronies do vote, pimp, and fund for people who will grant their wishes.

    I know what we are supposed to have. Now you look at what is going on please.
     
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    Indeed... A retirement pension was always supposed to be an investment made while working, something we pay into in order to have available later. People can still do that, and they really should. Unfortunately, with the shrinking of the middle class and the increases in debt and taxation most of us in the working class are experiencing, that's becoming less and less feasible. On the other hand, though, people also tend to be fiscally irresponsible and fail to save up money when they can. This leaves the welfare system on the hook unnecessarily to cover for people who should have taken responsibility for themselves - however many people for whom doing so would have been realistic, anyway. So, there's a combination of falling wages, increasing expenses and debt, and plain irresponsible fiscal management on the part of the individual. Then we have to factor in medical advances keeping the ill and the infirm alive longer, safer societies keeping everyone alive longer, and so forth.

    What do we do? End all welfare? Abolish money? Beats me.
     
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    No, good thing you don't vote for your elected representatives to the legislatures. Having them born into the job is far better.
     
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    Rubbish. There are checks and balances in your system. Just because the president is from a party which you apparently do not support does not make him a dictator.
     
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    Then what is it? Please don't trot out "it's a republic". Of course it is, it has a president as opposed to a monarchy which has a hereditary (or sometimes appointed) monarch.

    Do you have an autocracy? Aristocracy? Theocracy?

    Do you have a republic? A monarchy?

    Have you got an elected legislature? Is there an appointed ruling group? Is it a one-party state?

    You have a republican form of democracy.
     
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    It's a natural progression. There is establishment and struggle for development; consolidation; expansion and influence; then things level out and everyone gets fat and complacent; decay and if we're all lucky, reinvention and renewal. And there's nothing you can do about it, it's a given. The best thing to do is to adapt. But what stops adaptation is fear of change, so your reactionaries will have to be dealt with or you will indeed face a complete collapse rather than a constructive transformation.
     

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