idiot athiests at it again

WOWW!! It is in my opinion that if this was a picture of mohamad there would be riots, terrorist attacks throughout the country and bloodshed in the streets, but since its Jesus you wont hear a peep...I find it ironic at the stupidity of your typical athiest calling Jesus a myth, he clearly was a person in history that was crucified on a cross, but compared to santa they call Him a myth.
click on the photo to enlarge.

 

Are you suggesting that Atheists shouldnt be allowed to advertise their beliefs like the Christians do?

 

Ever notice how atheism isn't really about promoting what they believe but merely about disrespecting what other people believe? Why is that?

 

No, I am a strong advocate of freedom of speech, what I am saying is that they are a bunch of morons for calling Jesus a mythical figure comparatively to santa clause. I've also realized that I've never seen athiest groups publicly attack islam, probably because they know if they where to hang such a banner about mohamad they would be hunted down and their throats slit. so not only are they idiots, they are also cowards.

 

cuz clearly, you can't call people rude idiots and have free speech at the same time.

No, I'm pretty sure the point is that if this was Mohammed being mocked, the POTUS would have condemned it himself.

 

Not really. This was some group of Atheists saying something offensive.

They no more reflect my idea of how to act any more than Westboro Baptist Church represents all Christians.

These atheists have a right to express their opinion, but I think the message is offensive- like the Christians who tell me that I am going to hell for not believing what they believe.

There is no need for either side to offend the other.

 

Why does it bother you? I am not bothered by pro-myth advertisements.

 

Well, given that the holiday being celebrated this month was not co-opted by Muslims and has nothing to do with Muhammad the billboard would have made little sense.

 

Please, show a single contemporary account of Jesus that confirms he existed.

 

You mean you will not accept the Bible as a source?

 

Christians spend a fair amount of time disparaging the beliefs of others. If you don't believe in the correct God, then your religion is satanic and you're going to burn. Of course I generalize based on certain exclusive segments of the Christian faith. But it is built into the belief system with Jesus being the only way to God.

Now atheism is defined as a lack of belief. For some atheists, that's all there is to it and they just ignore religion. Other atheists see the pervasive influence of theistic thought throughout history and present time and feel less than encouraged by it, so they present their lack of belief as a counter.

 

A book cannot be a source of its own claims.

If the Bible is a source for the existance of Jesus, then the Baghavad Gita is a source for the claim that Shiva is real.

 

Don't try and use logic. And of course Shiva is real. And boy are the Christians going to be soiling themselves when Shiva comes back. Oops.

 

Every single writing of the NT was after the fact, with Paul's authenticated letters being the oldest. There is no contemporary recording of Jesus in existence. He didn't write anything down and neither did his disciples. The gospel writers did so beginning with the book of Mark a couple decades later, which was probably predated by a sayings Gospel (Gospel of Q). As you proceed from Luke to John, the theological implications, life story and deeds are more fleshed out. If you go back to Paul, who was the closest to when Jesus allegedly lived, he has very little to say about the life and sayings of Jesus. Paul's influences include the Hebrew scriptures (OT), book of Enoch (quoted in Jude and 1 Peter), and probably some Greek thinking prevalent in the day.

 

Fair enough. But you recognize this as not actually promoting atheism at all but merely (*)(*)(*)(*)ting on Christianity, correct? I don't see anything in that ad about their views on the creation of the universe, etc.

 

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See Josephus on Jesus

Antiquities of the Jews, Book 18, Chapter 3

BTW - Josephus wasn't a Christian.

 

Ah, but trashing someone else's beliefs isn't really atheism, is it? It's just anti-theism. Pay attention to what someone focuses on when presenting their position. Are they promoting what they love/believe or simply bashing what they hate? It says a lot about their agenda.

 

I have to agree. It would be fitting to have a picture of Saint Nicolas, the man who Santa Clause was based on, instead of the myth that was inspired by him.

 

The historical analysts say that the Josephus passages about Jesus were likely forgeries that were added later and are not consistent with Josephus himself (being a Jew, he would not call Jesus the messiah) or the previous or following passages in the text.

 

OK - uhhh... is this him???

 

By contemporary, I meant while Jesus was alive.

And does the quote form Book 18, Chapter 3 read like something a non-Christian would say? This is a later Christian addition to the text.

 

Look, in a free society, nobody has the right to have their beliefs be immune to criticism. You put your belief system out there in the public - and boy do Christians do that - then expect some criticism from those who aren't buying it.

Atheists have been debating theists for millennial. It goes all the way back to ancient Greece. The point about Santa Clause in that there was a guy named Saint Nicholas upon a which the mythical figure with superpowers is based. From the viewpoint of atheism, Jesus isn't different in that respect. Assuming you accept his historicity, which not everyone does.

 

What power has the Islam in USA? What power has the Christianity in USA?

The Islam affect to the lifes of atheists in USA? No. The Christianity affects to the live of atheists in USA? Yes.

Then you have the answer.

And calling Jesus a mythical figure comparetively to Santa Klaus is the most normal, because both are mythological, and if you don't notice that you have a problem.

0 proofs of existence of Jesus vs 0 proofs of existence of Santa Klaus then both myths.

 

pretty dumb, but if it's on private property they have every right, if it's government property they would need to take it down

I have seen many a dumb Christian signs as well.... Atheists are not alone in this field




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I didn't say you didn't have a right to criticize whatever you want to criticize. I simply pointed out that anti-theism is just empty nihilism if it stands for nothing more than tearing down someone else's beliefs. Because it doesn't actually believe in anything by itself. It's just a reactionary behavior that is entirely dependent upon an external belief system to even exist.