If a sterotype is true is it racist?

Not necessarily. Take the eating of fried chicken for blacks. That is a stereotype that blacks eat so much fried chicken, but if you were to do a study, you would find that there wasn't a significant difference between the races. Although am willing to bet that there would be a significant difference between cultures, particularly those of different cultures.

 

Contextual and colloquial use of the word. While, yes, technically, we are all one race, the word used colloquially refers to the various ethnicities.

 

I don't see it that way. If I look at a group of people and specific traits and make a note that group a tends to be better on average at manual dexterity tasks while group b is better on average at tasks that require physical strength. That's just pointing out that one group is more likely to have representatives that are better at those certain tasks than the other.

It's not saying that group a might not have members that are physically strong nor is it saying that group b isn't going to have nimble-fingered members. It's just noting the traits of the two groups.

Racism to me is saying that group a is superior to group b because of a certain trait. racism would be to shun a group because you feel that they are inferior to the group you belong to.

 

I believe this for Western nations.

 

Again mostly true for Western nations.

However, I heard of study where they took pictures of body types of different women and showed them to men from isolated Amazon tribes. The one that looked liked Marilyn Monroe was selected most often as the ideal mate.

 

Just in this forum, there is at least one person who believes the Earth is flat, no matter what evidence is given, no matter what the real facts are, they are unmoved in their opinion.

In the same way, racism is a belief. One may believe in the science and facts that different genetically linked racial traits are superior, or not. Does not matter how well science and reality proves the validity of them.

A fact can still be an opinion, that can be disbelieved.

 

Question being...was that because of her hair or because of the fact that she was curvy and full hipped?

 

You are just making up stuff to suit yourself.

Being a racist ONLY requires a belief that any racial trait commonly found in certain races/ethnic group is superior. It has nothing to do with actions.

You are almost certainly a racist, or very misinformed.

 

I don't remember all the details. But what typical man in any culture would not find a perfect 10 like her unattractive?

 

I think you stretch the definition of a racist. Anyone who seeks to exclude another because of their race alone, is racist. The rest are stereotypes.

Our brains have evolved to stereotype. The ability to make a snap decision based on past experience is fundamental to survival.

 

But can you agree that certain concepts of civilization have proven to be more successful, while others have lead to extinction?

 

What concepts are you talking about?

 

I'm just going by the actual meaning of the word. I didn't see anything about excluding or not excluding people in the definition.

Only a fool would not use his reasoning powers and experience and NOT profile.

I see a group of ten young Black men walking toward me. I'm not fearful because they are holding Bibles and just left church service.

I see an older Asian man. I go on guard. He is sketchy looking, keeps touching his waist and is circling around me.

 

If we are going to have a discussion, you have to stop with the "depends on what the meaning of is is" comments. You know very well that there are different concepts on civilization - or you should.

 

A scientist who discovers that melanin inhibits absorption of vitamin D is not a racist. You are deliberately obfuscating.

 

He is a racist. By the very definition of the word, he is a racist. There are whole groups of them talking about how inferior those with light colored skin are:

https://www.cancer.gov/publications/patient-education/skin.pdf

Cultural Marxists and assorted liberals have been guiding and brainwashing people into thinking that racism means something else or something more. But they are wrong.

Please come up with an another word, a better word than "racist." Thank you.

 

Well she is on my top 10 list for people to shag if I ever get a time machine...

 

But here's the rub. I'm not believing that any one race is superior to another. Just that one may be better at one thing than another race is. I don't think I'm superior to any other race. I don't think my race is superior to any other race.

Racism - 1. Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

2. The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Simply pointing out traits is just that. Pointing out traits. It's not racism unless one takes it to mean that one is better overall to another.

It is possible for a person to think "I'm better at hiking than he is...but darned if he's not better at swimming than I am." That's just noting the strengths and weaknesses of two people. Now if that person thinks "I'm better at hiking than he is...but that's because I'm [race] and he's [some other race]." That's racism.

Let's go back to my example. Group A is better at doing crafts. Group B is better at cooking and cleaning. It could be racist. After all we have the jokes about Mexican Housekeepers as a stereotype. Could be sexist since cooking and cleaning was seen (still is for some folks) as the realm of the woman.

So which am I for saying this? Which am I for making this comparison? Neither.

Any SCAdians (members of the Society for Creative Anachronism) out there can see what I'm talking about pretty much instantly.

 

I'm just going by Webster's.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

Now why did White and European planters and settlers use so many Black slaves down in the Southern US?

A) Because Blacks lived in an inferior Stone Age culture and had little hope of defending against better equipped, modernized and more powerful Arab and White slave traders. They were easy to capture.

B) Because Blacks had superior strength and stamina. They had superior skin pigmentation that could withstand working in open sunlight 5 times better than Whites. Also, Blacks had superior resistance to Malaria, Yellow Fever and other diseases that led to so, so many deaths back before 100 years ago.

Now moving on to modern times here, we have just as much racism today in the US as we had back in the slave days. Today, we have all kinds of racism clearly outlined in a myriad of laws and court orders that give Blacks and other non-Whites protected status and advanced placement. Those who support plans like Affirmative Action are just as racist as the KKK. They assume all Blacks are less capable in academic studies and other vocations, and treat them as such. The AA folks meet every qualification you stated for being racists. Most of the time they are also hypocrites.

 

The concept of race as a rough division of anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) has a long and complicated history. The word race itself is modern and was used in the sense of "nation, ethnic group" during the 16th to 19th century, and only acquired its modern meaning in the field of physical anthropology from the mid 19th century. The politicization of the field under the concept of racism in the 20th century has led to a decline in racial studies during the 1930s to 1980s, culminating in a poststructuralist deconstruction of race as a social construct. Since the 1990s, there has been renewed interest in questions of race and genetics and the study of phenotypic and genetic variability, and the quantitative study of genetic clustering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_race_concepts

It's fairly new in historical terms.

 

Still trying to justify your racist thoughts?

 

I think you already stated your racist belief that Blacks have superior UV protection. You can't be helped.

 

Bzzztttt. False.

Look at the ancient Egyptian paintings from thousands of years ago that clearly define the races of people.

 

What are you doin' Greataxe - blowing it out your ear? This is actually this:

Please read the inscription.
However, I disagree with the third being called an "Asiatic" unless it is a general term for Middle Eastern. My guess is that the third guy is a Phoenician based on the decorated belt, the cloth with borders, and the hair.

All it proves is that Egypt was an international place.

 

1. : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
   
   
2. a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
   b : a political or social system founded on racism
3. racial prejudice or discrimination
   

You see...that's where I draw the distinction. Saying that X race has Y trait isn't racist. Saying that X race has Y trait and that's why they're superior to other races...is.

And here's where you and I agree. Yes there is a lot of racism. Yes there are laws that are strongly slanted against minorities. Yes the way that a number of police officers and court officials (up to and including judges) is slanted to throwing the book at minority offenders when a white person might get a waggled finger and a stern talking to. Yes a lot of the organizations that are supposed to work towards ending racism and promote tolerance often times throws things into reverse racism. Yes there is a hell of a lot of hypocrisy.

But I'm not one of them. You can't hang the label of racist on someone unless they fit the definition of racist that you posted in Merriam Webster. Unless they are saying that Race A is superior and race B is inferior...it's not racism.