If abortion were banned on the state or national level, would "pro-lifers" support...

the creation of a State or Federal law enforcement division....specifically tasked to investigate, apprehend, etc. persons who violated the abortion ban law?

Much in the way there was a "Bureau of Prohibition" formed under the Department of the Treasury in 1921 (ref: Eliot Ness, of "Untouchables" fame) to enforce the Volstead Act.

Thus freeing local police, State police, and the US Marshals and FBI to concentrate on other criminal activities.

 

26 views and no responses from the "pro-lifers"? Wonder why???

 

Another poor attempt at fear mongering via the Reductio ad absurdum logical fallacy.

If Roe v Wade were ever overturned the abortion issue would return to the individual states.

If a constitutional amendment passed which banned abortions the government will not be showing up at your doorstep to inspect your uterus.

During prohibition, alcoholics were dying for a drink. If abortion were banned, how many women will be looking for their next abortion fix?

 

The problem with angry forum right wingers is their ignorance of the issues.

As I have documented on this forum before, abortion was LEGAL under the Anglo-Saxon common law. Contrary to what so many want to believe, this practice was always legal and legal restrictions are relatively new. Mind you, I am a pro lifer and wish that abortion was not practiced at all. But I know the law and am honest enough to write the truth about it.

 

If Prohibition stopped people from drinking......why did Eliot Ness have a job and how did Capone get rich?!?!?!?

 

It's also their innate DISHONESTY. Most of them know that if they expressed the full extent of their views on banning abortion....and HOW to make that ban "work" or be enforced....

they'd admit that either-

A. they are simplistic thinkers who think "It'll be illegal...so nobody will do it anymore"

B. they don't really care if it's enforced....they just want the APPEARANCE of a "more moral America"

or C. they'd have to endorse....a "Womb Gestapo".

 

Enforcing a ban on elective late term abortions would be easy.

I see no logical reason for a ban on early-term abortions, unless someone really believes that something without a brain can be considered a human life.

 

Yeah, that probably wouldn't have been the case if Capone was an abortionist.

 

How...exactly?

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You claimed people couldn't get alcohol during Prohibition.....how did Capone get rich then?

 

Yep, and all those Alabama gals would be heading to Minnesota for their abortions. But as long as it doesn't happen in MY state, I'm good with it, right?

 

It's still possible to go after people who cross state lines smuggling unborn children for the purpose of committing criminal acts against them.

Have you heard of the International Parental Kidnapping Crime Act ?

 

Could you show me the part in your link where it mentions "unborn children" ? ( which actually don't exist)

 

No, I said that during prohibition, alcoholics were dying for a drink, I didn't say they couldn't get one.

And then by comparison, if you ban abortions, women will not be having withdrawals from not getting abortions.

 

During prohibition no one died FOR a drink but they did die because they drank illegal unregulated booze which killed them.

Making abortion illegal would have the same effect, killing women who couldn't get a SAFE LEGAL abortion....obviously this is of no concern to Anti-Choicers.

The first abortion laws were passed BECAUSE women were dying from home remedies and quacks.


Prohibition didn't stop the drinking, especially for the wealthy ...and prohibiting abortion will never stop abortion, especially for the wealthy.

 

SAFE LEGAL abortion is an oxymoron. No abortion is safe for the fetus, or for the mother for that matter. Any woman can die from a botched legal abortion.

Making abortions illegal would save one life for each abortion not performed because it was illegal. There are people alive today because of restrictive abortions laws. Their lives mean something. Their lives have value.

And making bank robbery illegal has not stopped people from robbing banks. That is no excuse for legalizing bank robbery.

We have invented all kinds of contraceptives since those first abortion legalization laws. There are no more excuses for aborting human beings. It is a barbaric practice.

 

Abortion has never stopped whether it was legal or illegal.

Fact that can't be disputed: Legal it is safer for women, obviously that's something you're against.

Women have the rights of all other people( something else you're against). A fetus does not have more rights than women (whether YOU like it or not )

NO one is under any obligation to use birth control.

 

Either the "pro-lifers" would want road-blocks on every road out of Alabama....

or they'd be basically admitting the Alabama ban was "just for show, not a real attempt at stopping abortions".

As much as they deny those two possibilties....they're the only ones available to them.

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How EXACTLY would you prove a woman leaving Alabama for Minnesota was 5 weeks pregnant?


(a hush falls over the crowd....anticipating Anders' answer. )

 

No, you were trying to claim that an "Abortion Prohibition" would stop women from obtaining abortions, by not so brightly trying to claim that access to alcohol "dried up" during the 1920s..which clearly it did not.......

so that you don't have to answer the question posed in the OP....but try to claim "Just making it illegal will stop women from doing it. We wouldn't need extra law enforcement to go after it."

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The same delusional "article of faith" thinking that Temperance people had that made them believe "If we ban alcohol nation-wide....people will stop drinking!"

Exactly the same.

 

Has it always been legal or just not illegal, meaning that it hadn't yet occurred to people to criminalize it? Not everything that is legal now is going to stay that way if the Congressional Record is any indication.

 

Just as they can die from child birth . .so your point being what exactly?

I suggest you move away from your isolation and look what banning abortion has done in countries such as Brazil . .hint, it has made little to no difference.

Shame the vast majority of the most effective are priced out of the reach of the poorest, perhaps you should be advocating for all types of contraception to be free. (not that you will)

 

Carrying a baby to term is many times more dangerous for the woman than electing to terminate the pregnancy.

Of course, we could significantly lower the need for abortion by applying a comprehensive approach to it. But the real pro-abortion group, the ones who pretend to hate abortion, have taken a hardline stance to effective means of lowering the teen pregnancy, and thus abortion, rate.

 

Abortion was legal under common law up until "quickening" and rarely prosecuted even after that point, the first anti-abortion laws were based on poison laws as so many of the "home remedies" used were in fact toxic to the woman, those anti-abortion restrictions were nothing to do with the so called personhood or protection of the fetus. The second string of anti-abortion laws were brought in under pressure from doctors, they knew the money value of abortion and wanted to corner the market for themselves, they wanted to stop midwifes etc from performing them ... even though after the bans were in place they were largely ignored . .but yet again nothing to do with the personhood or protection of the fetus

The person hood of the fetus did not become a pro-life "tool" until 1968 when introduced by the National Right to Life Committee .. in fact they were the very first pro-life group in the US.

 

Of course it is not stopped if it is legal.

Legal is not safer for the fetus. I am against all abortions, legal or illegal, yes.

I am for women's rights. Half of all aborted fetus are female.

 

It will. Maybe not all. But it will.

Let me know when you find that quote so I can defend it.

We could use that same law enforcement resources already available, but if we have to hire new people, so what?

One must understand that back in those days there was a lot of alcohol abuse which led to a lot of domestic violence. This was the reason that prohibitionists felt it was necessary to to ban alcohol, to curb wife beating. It didn't work because of all the other side effects of prohibition. There is no parallel here to abortion that I see.

 

That the term "safe legal abortion" is an oxymoron because it is not safe.

I am glad Brazil has banned abortions. How many live must they be saving every year? Nobody knows.

Contraceptives are cheap and some are provided free by health plans and schools.

I don't approve of taxpayers being forced to pay for contraceptives against their religious beliefs.