If Americans choose the wrong President there will be consequences...

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Is it OK for our Creator to punish America if we choose the wrong President???

  1. Yes.. our Creator can do whatever our Creator wishes to do...

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  2. No... we are free to choose our leader ... we should not be punished for making our choice...

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  3. This is an unusual message.. but kind of scary?!

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  4. I think that this is the silliest topic that DennisTate ever posted here on the forum!

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  1. Cougarbear

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    Neither Storm, Braxton or Zadai have been given the Priesthood of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. There aren't two Gospels. There aren't two Fathers in Heaven. There aren't two Jesus Christ's. There aren't two Holy Ghosts. There aren't two Church of Jesus Christs on the earth. There's only one with the Authority of the Priesthood. That was given through revelation to the Prophet Joseph Smith. Through that revelation and many other revelations given to Joseph Smith, Jesus Christ restored His Church in these the Latter days. Through Christ's restored Church, the Priesthood ordinances have been restored with proper authority. Beginning with baptism. There is only one baptism that has authority and that's by one who has proper Priesthood authority given by one with proper Priesthood authority back to the Prophet Joseph Smith. No other baptism is authorized to admit you or anyone else into the Celestial Kingdom with Father in Heaven and His Son Jesus Christ. You can enter heaven without this authorized baptism, but not the Celestial Kingdom. Storm, Braxton and Zadai can lead you to heaven, but the lower kingdoms or mansions of heaven, Terrestrial and Telestial kingdoms. Satan will be okay with that so that you cannot continue to progress in Heavenly Father's Plan.

    After receiving baptism by one with authority, you then will need to progress to receiving the Melchizedek Priesthood. Then you will need to become worthy to receive your washing and anointing's and endowments in the Temple of the Lord to progress towards the Celestial Kingdom. And, if you want to continue to progress, then you will have to be sealed to a companion (female) preferably your current wife, to the highest degree in the Celestial Kingdom. Neither Storm, Braxton or Zadai can lead you to this. They have not the testimony of Joseph Smith, Jesus Christ, The Father or the Gift of the Holy Ghost and authority to bring you to this. The information they received damns them to terrestrial, telestial or worse, and those that follow them. Sad. Very sad. Ask the missionaries how to gain a proper and true testimony so like me you can say, I have a testimony in the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ through the Prophet Joseph Smith, The Book of Mormon is True, And, because of this I can testify that through the gift of the Holy Ghost I know the Father lives, Jesus is the Christ, Joseph Smith was the Prophet of God that through him the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was restored with Christ's Gospel and that only The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the authority of the Godhead, President Russel M. Nelson is the current Prophet of God and only through him can doctrine come and only through him will Christ reveal his secrets to the world. In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen...
     
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    I enjoy investigating different points of view. Although I have strong opinions I know that those who disagree with me have had experiences I have not had; they know what I do not know; they have insights that have not occurred to me. Nevertheless, my love for facts that can be documented places some limits on what I respect in political messages.

    In the video I am copying Tucker Carlson presents reasons for believing that President Trump was robbed of the re election he deserved. He made assertions that those watching the video cannot prove or disprove.

    My first impression of Tucker Carlson was positive. However, when I went to Politifact, which I do trust, I found this:

    True
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    o checks

    Mostly True
    8%

    1 Checks

    Half True
    8%

    1 Checks

    Mostly False
    33%

    4 Checks

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    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/tucker-carlson/

    This is a limited number of checks. However, it indicates that Tucker Carlson cannot be trusted as a commentator. He may be as dishonest as Rush Limbaugh and President Trump.

    Most people allow their likes and dislikes to influence, if not to determine, their judgment of what is true and false. I do it to, but I try not to. Liberals are equally complicit. A number of years ago I read in The New York Times that most liberals do not want to be told anything bad about homosexuals and Negroes.

    Despite growing evidence, most liberals refuse to acknowledge the relationship between genes, intelligence, crime, and race. Worse yet, many on the left try to suppress the evidence and punish those who find and disseminate it. Race is an area where the more one ignores the findings of science the more enlightened one is seen to be.
     
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    Brilliantly stated....... it is so true that we all have a certain bias due to what we have experienced in life..... what books we have read..... what books we have not read..... what articles we have read..... what articles we have not read.............. but at the least I am extremely hopeful that the political atmosphere in America by the year 2024 will be vastly less divided than it is now in 2020 as the possibility of serious vote rigging in the 2022 and 2024 elections is dramatically reduced due to the courage being shown at this time by Rudy Giuliani and by his team of lawyers.



    How this election was stolen which is great news for 2024....






     
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    Information from the
    National Museum of Natural History
    SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20560

    Your recent inquiry concerning the Smithsonian Institution's alleged use of the Book of Mormon as a scientific guide has been received in the Smithsonian's Department of Anthropology.

    The Book of Mormon is a religious document and not a scientific guide. The Smithsonian Institution has never used it in archeological research and any information that you have received to the contrary is incorrect. Accurate information about the Smithsonian's position is contained in the enclosed "Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon," which was prepared to respond to the numerous inquiries that the Smithsonian receives on this topic.

    PREPARED BY
    THE DEPARTMENT OF ANTHROPOLOGY
    SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTION

    http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/smithsonianletter.htm
    1996

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    STATEMENT REGARDING THE BOOK OF MORMON

    1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archeologists see no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.

    2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern. central, and northeastern Asia. Archeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians cane into the New World - probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Being Strait region during the last Ice Age - in a continuing series of small migrations beginning from about 25,000 to 30,000 years ago.

    3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.

    4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with Old World civilizations if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times. American Indians had no wheat, barley, oats, millet, rice, cattle, pigs, chickens, horses, donkeys, camels before 1492. (Camels and horses were in the Americas, along with the bison, mammoth, and mastodon, but all these animals became extinct around 10,000 B.C. at the time when the early big game hunters spread across the Americas.)

    5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.

    6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by no means certain that even such contacts occurred; certainly there were no contacts with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asian and the Near East.

    7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archeological remains in Mexico and archeological remains in Egypt.

    8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines, and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland.

    Because the Smithsonian regards the unauthorized use of its name to disseminate inaccurate information as unlawful, we would appreciate your assistance in providing us with the names of any individuals who are misusing the Smithsonian's name. Please address any correspondence to:

    Anthropology Outreach Office
    Department of Anthropology
    National Museum of Natural History MRC 112
    Smithsonian Institution
    Washington, DC 20560

    http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/smithsonianletter2.htm

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    I have been proselytized by Mormon missionaries. I like them, and Mormons in general. They are high on the good statistics, and low on the bad statistics. I have read The Book Of Mormon, The Doctrine and Covenants, and The Pearl of Great Price. I wish Mormonism was true. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that the events recorded in The Book of Mormon, and The Book of Abraham, which is in The Pearl of Great Price, happened. There is considerable evidence that none of the events in those books did happen. I have discussed this at length elsewhere on this forum.

    Biblical archaeology exists. Empires and individuals mentioned in the Bible are also mentioned in many ancient writings. Nothing like this exists for The Book of Abraham.

    The fact that Mormonism is false does not mean that God does not exist. Unfortunately, many who leave the Mormon faith become atheists.
     
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    Ever since 1980 I have viewed the religious right with interest, and a degree of sympathy. This is mainly because of my dislike for the sexual revolution. I do not think the religious right has ever wanted to create a theocracy. At most it wanted to restore the moral ethos of the 1950's. I was a child back then. It was a nice time to be a child. The crime rate was low. Well over half of the U.S. public was affiliated with a church of synagogue. A popular song captured the national mood with the lyrics, "Love and marriage go together like a horse and carriage." Rates of divorce and illegitimacy were low. Children raised to adulthood by both biological parents living together in matrimony tend to do better in life than children not raised that way.

    Nevertheless, in a country like the United States there is little the government can do to influence religious and sexual behavior. Therefore they are not really political issues. This is why the religious right failed to restore the moral ethos of the 1950's. Instead, it gave the Republican Party a large constituency that enabled the Republican Party to win elections, cut taxes for the rich, and increase economic inequality. The religious right ended up benefiting those who worship mammon rather than God.

    The religious right has been very bad in choosing political leaders. In 1980 it abandoned the most sincerely Christian president the United States probably ever had to support a product of Hollywood who rarely attended church. In 2016 it reached even lower morally to support a foul mouthed, lying, woman pagan. In the process the religious right discredited itself.

    In the Gospel According to St. Matthew 7:21 Jesus says:

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

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    Carter was the last honest man in the White House - and Republicans hated him.

    Whatever.
     
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    If I am correct.. President Trump is actually a RINO and would be open to......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...off-in-one-year.580877/page-3#post-1072242567


    Can the national debt of the USA be paid off in one year?




    Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang could set him up to coopt something like this because Americans and Canadians need to have this explained to them in terms that they can understand......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...whole-new-party.580042/page-2#post-1072242595



    Should Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang begin a whole new party?

    ....... in my opinion.... .lots of traitorous G.O.P. members and lots of traitorous Dems are going to be in jail.... and a third party rising is logical........
     
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    [/quote]

    The sad reality is that this isn't a feasible move unless and until ranked choice voting becomes the way.
     
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    The Christian sky fairies don't do voting. In the related mythology, they are classic authoritarians.
     
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    I hope that subtitles are available for you on this English language video because this man seems to have a genuine prophetic gift and I will make an effort to put some of your writings in front of him as soon as I can.




    Donald Trump Will Win - Prophetic Word that will happen in next 7 days!

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    Actually..... if Dominion Software had NOT been used in the Democratic Party nomination process... Bernie would have stomped Biden.... which would have forced the Dems to look back and say to themselves.... .Hey..... we really should have backed up Gabbard!!!!!!

    Honesty in voting will benefit both the Dems and the GOP over the longer term.
     
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    But...... President Jimmy Carter almost got my vote for "most naive" ....... in this poll that I began a few months ago.

    I actually voted for President Obama for the Most Naive award..... partly because the alternative to his being naive is kind of scary.

    President Carter was likeable as a person... and as a sincere Christian but..... in my opinion he was not a competent President.

    The most NAIVE USA President since 1960?


     
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    They are so excited about it. That the Lion from the tribe of Judah prevailed, so that the Lamb can take the book from the hand of the One sitting on the throne means much more than any earthly Trump.
     
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    That is partly correct, but he was better than Nixon before, or Reagan after.
     
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    In my opinion.... President Carter could become a competent news analysis of what all is happening at this time...... .and if he did that he could save many lives........ because America seems to be heading toward something like a Civil War...... President Carter could put out a wise analysis of what I personally suspect are soon to be some of the most important events of the past four millennia......... I believe we are in the time of the Exodus from the North.....that will be viewed to be greater than the Exodus from Egypt.............. but I have to admit that I am biased........




    Donald Trump Will Win - 777 Updates and Prophetic Word Over America!
     
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    Carter was simply an awful president. Reagan was light years better.
     
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    I totally agree....... President Reagan was awesome and.......
    a threat that President Reagan is reported to have received may help to explain what has been happening since 2015.......

    President Ronald Reagan was said to have apologized to one of his major supporters from California.....
    while campaigning he told her that he did not want G. H. W. Bush as his V. P......
    several months or years later he apologized to her and told her that a group of owners of BigMedia had met with him and had told him..... .either he has G. H. W. Bush as his V. P. OR THEY WOULD SO SMEAR HIM IN THEIR MEDIA..... that they own..... that he would be un-electable!!!!!

    He said that he knew that the threat made by these people was genuine because they owned BigMedia.....
    so he gave in and made G. H. W. Bush his V. P.

    The full implications of that aspect of USA history is more easily understood if we were to watch a two hour documentary that I consider is brilliantly done:

    Why Big Oil Conquered the World
     
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    I'll bet I'm the only one here who gets that.
     
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    America and Canada are in the middle of what is arguably the most confusing barrage of information that three hundred and thirty some million and thirty seven point six million people have ever had to deal with..... but..... there is a positive in all of this...... .the eyes of all the world are upon us.................. and media careers tend to pay quite well.

    In my opinion Mr. Peter MacKay may well be one of the most skilled diplomats in our nation and.... the fact that he was rejected to become National Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada means that he is available........
    I would suggest that he be set up as a CEO of a news media company?!

    Mark Taylor wrote something about that..... apparently Jesus wants a truly objective news media company....... because CNN is in my opinion not very objective or intellectually honest at all!

    https://sordrescue.com/






    Which high profile PPC candidates will CPC National Leader Peter MacKay flip first?
     
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    Interesting.......

     
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    Trump lost....
     
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    Jewish Tradition is NOT Jewish fact. By taking verses from here and there is not the way to prove anything. The Nativity stories do just that, and make completely nonsense of the birth of the Jewish Preacher, Jesus. Nothing in the OT make Jesus anything more than a Jewish preacher. He is not mentioned/referred to at all.
     
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    Thank you for recognizing him as a Jewish teacher..............
    you are correct that he certainly was that for sure.


    I see many, many, many, many correlations between the near death experience of modern former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava with Matthew chapters four, .... and his conclusions remind me very much of Matthew chapters five, six and seven.... The Sermon on the Mount.




    I am of the belief that the actual historical Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus thought and taught much more like Rabbi Alon Anava than any Christian theologian on earth........ but of course some of them are a lot better than others.......... but only some near death experiencers would recognize Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus in this NDE account.....



    http://www.thomastwin.com/7 A Thomas samples.html



    Near death experiencer Bruce MacDonald back in 1966 was shown Jesus teaching his disciples much as Rabbi Nachman of Breslov or the modern Rabbi Alon Anava might teach when it comes to the topic of the Gilgul Cycle.... or reincarnation...... or as a Latter day Saint of a century or so ago might say.... Multiple Mortal Probabions?!
     

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