If Biden wins, he should pardon Donald Trump

1) The Democrats have no chance of taking a super majority in the Senate.
2) It's impossible to "make sure that no president can again do to the office what Trump has done".

 

Coming from the people screaming trump has no way to lose I will take your opinion very lightly

1) If a heavy enough link is made between Senators then I will have to disagree with you
2) Change the norms we have always had and convert them to laws

Wish list: implement the Wyoming rule in the HoR, add AS, NM & PR as states, at that point impeachment for perjury against two SCOTUS members begin, a new VRA law is passed, and the Republican party becomes as influential as the green party.

 

Link to where I posted anything of the sort.

 

Perhaps, and this is only a suggestion, you may want to spend some time actually reading the Mueller report rather than listening to the Trump revision. Obstruction is a serious crime. The Senate trial did not clear Trump of criminal charges. Obstruction and bribery are serious charges.

And those are just a few of the federal crimes. If the Trump crime family is looking to stay out of state prison they'd better start sucking up to Cuomo.

 

It isn't going to help. He has state investigations against him, and Biden can't pardon him from those.

 

. . . They can't prosecute him for anything while he is in office. Surely you know that.

 

So no prosecutable offense he's been accused of yet. Figures. Thanks anyway

 

He can't be prosecuted right now. Saying that there's "no prosecutable offense" when he CAN'T be prosecuted is flatly dishonest. Thanks!

 

So we should deport all the illegals and prosecute those who create "sanctuary cities" ?

 

My 2 cents is that Ford made a horrible mistake.

You can't have a democracy if the president is effectively beyond the reach of the law. Trump is doing his best to try and prove that.

I know the arguments. Trying a president would be yet another national trauma. But the Founding Fathers did not set this up to be easy, they built it to last, and that means you follow the rules, even when they're a pain in the ass.

Besides, orange is the new orange.

 

The key word was "accused". He's not even been accused of a prosecutable offense. Duh.

 

He's been accused of tax fraud, investor fraud, bank fraud, emoluments violations, bribery, obstruction, campaign finance fraud, rape . . . you want me to keep going? This appears to be your first time visiting earth, so I'll happily be your guide.

 

Thank you for posting this. I'll admit I didn't realize the president could only pardon a person for federal crimes. I assumed it worked in the same way that the hierarchy of powers do, such as how a federal law would overrule a state law.

In light of this, I have to agree with what you said. It would do no good. Other than potential Hatch Act violations and the obstuction of justice mentioned in the Mueller report, I'm not sure what other federal crimes he's committed. Yet anyway.

 

He will be, when he gets out of office. He won't have the power of the Oval Office and the Justice Department to protect and shield him at that point. They will be coming for him, and what's more, he fully knows it.

 

No worries, and to be clear, governors can pardon him for crimes in their individual states, so you could still hold the same position, you'd just need multiple people doing the pardoning, but probably not that many more. The only state I know if pursuing charges against him is the state of NY. There are likely more to come, however.

 

Nope. He has not, that you've failed to provide a single link to a legitimate legal authority levelling these accusations against him is quite telling. Sorry dude, the fake news gibberish and whining does not legal accusation make. Duh.

Right.. and Mueller was supposed to frog-march him out of the Oval office according to your ilk's predictions... How did that work out? LOL People who never learn even from their mistakes never seize to amaze me.

 

Biden can’t pardon Trump for state crimes and Dem states will want him tried. A Dem gov. would lose the next election if he did.

 

Yeah, I had the wrong idea how about presidential pardons worked. Yardmeat gave me the heads up earlier in the thread. He did bring up a good point that the governors of individual states could pardon him for the state crimes, but the chance of multiple people issuing pardons is even more minuscule than the chance of Biden issuing one.

 

Local politics in NewYork would make it real hard for a Dem Gov. to pardon Trump and not be held accountable next election IMO.

 

I agree with this, but I would attach strings. Trump would need to remove himself from public life completely. If Trump is going to continue in search for political power, then he needs to spend a few years behind bars first.

Good idea, but one "Crazy Nancy" and he goes to the slammer.

 

It WON'T happen-- bet the farm on it. First of all, just because Trump is being tried in NY State courts on tax evasion charges, the rest of government won't grind to a halt. In fact, I imagine most Republican Congressmen, who aren't on their way out, will want to focus on anything BUT Donald Trump.

Remember, though a lot of Trump supporters will be upset at seeing the Democratic, "witch hunt," continue-- so much so that you are advocating for the abnegation of the idea of, "everyone equal, & accountable, under the law," in Trump's case-- what about all the citizens who would be OUTRAGED if Trump walks scott-free? That doesn't enter into your equation as to, "what's best for the country?" Their numbers will be every bit as large. Is the difference only that they don't own as many guns?

I agree w/ you, though that Congress should not spend its time on endless, investigative hearings. My expectation, though, is that although there probably will, at some point (maybe after the mid-term elections), be hearings-- Democrat's constituents may effectively demand them-- the Congress will be WAY TOO BUSY dealing w/ the Covid-19 pandemic & the economic chaos wrought by it, to have any time for Trump nonsense in the near-term. Plus, Nancy Pelosi is much too smart-- even those who dislike her should realize-- to allow the optics of a Trump-focused House or Reps while the country is still struggling to recover.

So it's in the longer-game that all this is likely to play out, but not front & center in the news. Speaker Pelosi, trying to walk the tight-rope of keeping all factions adequately mollified, will make her motto, "We should let the ongoing investigations take their due course, among the professionals in our non-partisan security agencies." That'll buy her some time.

On Trump's side of that balance will be the most fanatical of his supporters, who will show up for rallies in front of court houses, & the like, displaying a heavy load of armaments in tow. Trump will try to use this not-subtle, implied threat of civil unrest to try & coerce courts & juries to fear being harsh with him. I can already imagine the intense security around all potential juror pools & the suggestions, by Trump, that their names must be, "leaked--" in fairness to him, you understand.

I mean, we don't know who these jurors are; they could be disgruntled Hillary-supporters, maybe not even real citizens-- from other countries, possibly here illegally-- and, "some people are saying that ANTIFA has infiltrated the jury; I don't know, but a lot of credible, very smart people are saying that."

Then again, don't completely write-off the possibility of Trump skipping to Russia.

 

You also can't have a democracy if a president believes he will face imprisonment when he or she loses the next election. Biden has referred to that very issue himself.

 

If Trump outlives his usefulness with Putin, Russia maybe the last place he wants to go. Trump is a physical coward.

 

Hell NO!

Why do the Democrats have to be the outstanding party that does the "right thing"?

What Trump has done is exponentially greater in magnitude than what Nixon did, and that is only considering what we do know. Once he's out there's going to be a whole lot of other stuff that's going to be discovered about his narcissistic machinations while in office.

Let's just wait till we cross that bridge. Olive branches are in short supply.

 

Pardon? Nahh