If by chance Biden wins the presidency how long before he's impeached?

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, Biden represents Obama. The Ukrainian prosecutors you speak of are the following prosecutors, not the one fired for investigating Burisma. Dems are now incredibly arguing that Biden wanted Shokin fired for NOT investigating Burisma.
     
  2. Sandy Shanks

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    Bragging is a problem?

    And you support Trump?!?
     
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    The court docs and transcripts obtained by John Solomon, a real journalist, clearly debunk your leftist talking points.

    I'd love for Joe Biden to get the nomination, because he would get thoroughly curb-stomped by Trump. But Dementia Joe won't even be able to beat Fauxcahontas.
     
  4. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bragging about threatening Ukraine to fire a prosecutor investigating Burisma? Do try to stay on topic.
     
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    Because we don't like him. Same charge Trump is guilty of.
     
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    Bidens bragging:

    Extorting and blackmailing Ukraine so Hunter could launder millions in U.S. taxpayer money out of Ukraine. Joe and Hunter's trip to China on Air Force 2 and scoring a billion dollar private equity deal shortly thereafter. Snorting cocaine off hooker's asses. Banging your dead brother's widow. And last but not least, avoiding process from some poor Arkansas gal who Hunter knocked up and doesn't want to comply with a paternity suit.
     
  7. TurnerAshby

    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    Huh no it's not my source of information

    Basic facts Biden was the one who told Ukraine fire the prosecutor or no money right?

    Bidens son had no experience in that field yet was paid handsomely for business dealings in Ukraine right?

    Biden said that at the same time his son was working in Ukraine which if nothing else should be conflict of interest right?

    As far as what the new prosecutor said if you buy Biden removed the old prosecutor for looking into Hunter of course the new prosecutor would say nothing to see there.
     
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    The left-wingers will impeach him before he assumes office.
     
  9. Sandy Shanks

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    What are you talking about? Why do Trumpets make outrageous claims without substance?

    You need to review the post you responded. You ignored the "basic facts."
     
  10. TurnerAshby

    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    If you can't agree on the basic objective facts then what's the point?

    Biden at bear minimum had a conflict of interest. Another person should've given the decision. As far as the new prosecutor saying everything is a ok of course he would especially if that's what he was put in to do.


    And the line that we plus other countries decided who the Ukrainian prosecutor was instead of the Ukrainian people deciding that is troubling to me
     
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    What decision?

    As vice-president, Biden did not have the authority to withhold Congressionally approved funds. In fact, other than a vote in the Senate when there is a tie, the vice-president has no powers whatsoever. He is merely a placeholder in case something happens to the President.

    Ukrainian prosecutors have described no evidence indicating that Biden sought to help his son by getting Shokin dismissed -- and have suggested that they have not discovered any such evidence.

    But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired.

    They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform.


    https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukraine-top-prosecutor-fired-viktor-shokin/30181445.html
     
  12. TurnerAshby

    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    What decision????? The decision to withold funding. Someone who had no potential conflict of interest should've been the person to tell Ukraine to remove their prosecutor.

    Your talking point above in no way refutes what I said.
     
  13. Natty Bumpo

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    It was obviously Democratic leadership's strategy to avoid an impeachment inquiry, given that most Americans have consistently concurred that Trump stinks, but the whistleblower complaint regarding deeds most foul that Trump's minions tried and failed to cover up forced them to assume their constitutional responsibility.

    No evidence of wrongdoing by Biden has been shown, but if he or anyone else who is elected to succeed Trump does behave like Trump, he will and should be the subject of an impeachment inquiry as well.
     
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    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    I'm certain republican will use the new tools Democrats have shown. You can pretend electing a saint will change that but it won't
     
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    Trump wants to know who the whistleblower is, and the people who gave the person information are "close to a spy." "You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? With spies and treason, right? We used to handle them a little differently than we do now." In the "old days" spies were shot.

    Asked Monday whether he knows the whistleblower's identity, Trump replied, "We're trying to find out," A whistleblower's identity is protected by law, the Whistleblower Protection Act. President Trump is attempting to intimidate future whistleblowers. He considers them a threat to his regime.

    "His lies were made in perhaps the most blatant and sinister manner ever seen in the great Chamber. He wrote down and read terrible things, then said it was from the mouth of the President of the United States," Trump tweeted, forgetting that his appointee, I.C.I.G. Michael Atkinson deemed the whistleblower complaint "credible" and "most urgent." He also forgot that the phone conversation between himself and President Zelensky was provided by the White House as was the whistleblower's complaint itself. That should be warning to Trump, but it goes right over his head.

    Lawyers for the whistleblower sent a letter to the acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire on Saturday. It stated:

    "The purpose of this letter is to formally notify you of serious concerns we have regarding our client's personal safety," the letter says, adding that recent comments by Trump are reason for "heightened" concern.

    "The events of the past week have heightened our concerns that our client's identity will be disclosed publicly and that, as a result, our client will be put in harm's way."

    This is our President speaking.

    I want to meet not only my accuser, who presented SECOND & THIRD HAND INFORMATION, but also the person who illegally gave this information, which was largely incorrect, to the 'Whistleblower. Was this person SPYING on the U.S. President? Big Consequences!

    Please note, as mentioned, Trump never deals with the allegations directly. If he says something was a lie or the whistleblower got it wrong, he never explains what he is talking about. That alone is a sure sign of guilt.

    From a mental standpoint, is Trump okay?
     
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    If Biden wins on 2020 and republicans take the house, I hope they vote to impeach him 3 days after his inauguration because he didn’t tie his shoe laces.
    That’s basically what they are doing to trump now.
    Pandora’s box...
     
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    Joe The Joe will not get impeached unless the Democrats lose the House. Simple.
     
  18. Sandy Shanks

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    Trump's supporters often complain that those who are critical of Trump's performance are trying to do an end run around the 2016 election. That Trump's detractors are attempting a coup, the removal of a duly elected President. Ignoring the absurdity of that assertion for the moment, have they ever considered that Trump may be responsible for the multitude of questions regarding his competence?

    Is Trump doing exactly what Putin wants him to do? That is a very good question considering the fact that the White House has been shackled during the 33 months Trump has sat in the Oval Office. Despite his party having control of both the House and Senate for the first two years of his Presidency, Trump has accomplished little or nothing. He has moved from controversy and scandal to new controversies and scandals throughout his entire administration.

    He is the least popular President in modern American history, his staff has an historical turnover rate and is now filled with sycophants, and there are even questions about his mental stability.

    Trump's close ties with Netanyahu while unilaterally proclaiming Jerusalem the capital of Israel has removed the U.S. from Middle East talks because the Arab republics do not trust him. Neither do Great Britain or France because Trump is unpredictable and unreliable. The U.S. has been replaced by Russia.

    Trump removed the U.S. from the Paris Accord to which there are 197 signatories.

    Because it was signed during the Obama administration, Trump removed the U.S. from the JCPOA which permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. He has been urging the Iranian leaders to agree to talks for a new agreement that permanently bars Iran from making a nuke. In the meantime, Iran has followed Trump's example and is in violation of the JCPOA. Our allies are trying desperately to save the agreement. Trump is threatening our allies' for their intentions.

    Trump has removed the U.S. from lucrative trade agreements, TPP, NAFTA, and has not signed one major trade agreement.

    Much to Putin's delight, Trump has weakened NATO with his constant jabs at our NATO partners. The recent G-7 conference went nearly as bad as last year's G-7 conference and there was no common statement of cooperation.

    Trump has threatened the vibrant American economy. Because of his trade war with China, even he is concerned about a possible recession as consumer confidence is dropping along with the manufacturing index. Trump's harsh tariffs cause inflation, and inflation causes recession. To illustrate all of this, the stock market has been treading water since January 2018. On Jan. 29, 2018, the Dow stood at 26,439. Right now the Dow is at 26,917.A gain of only 478 points in 20 months. It was below Jan. 2018 figure for most of August due to Trump's tweets.

    Questions about Trump's mental acuity have surfaced recently. Using a five day old NWS in predicting a hurricane's path Trump declared that Alabama "will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated." Everyone not named Trump knew the hurricane was going to turn north, missing Alabama by hundreds of miles. For a solid week Trump insisted that his faulty weather forecast was accurate.

    When that died out Trump said he was totally responsible for inviting the terrorist sponsors of Al Qaeda to a meeting at Camp David five days before the 9/11 anniversary.

    One day after Robert Mueller appeared before Congress to provide testimony regarding Russian intervention in our 2016 election on his behalf, Trump called the president of Ukraine to ask him to intervene in our 2020 election on his behalf!

    Is Trump doing exactly what Putin wants him to do? Should he be removed from office? The reader can decide.
     
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    It is hoped those who should read the above post, Trump's supporters, will do so and with great concern. However, I fear they will not. Their main excuse will be they are too busy to take three minutes to read the post. The real reason, however, is when it comes to Trump, they try to avoid reality. Others will use an unsaid excuse. Since they have shown inability to defend Trump, what is the point of reading the realistic post that illustrates Trump's incompetence?

    I hope I am wrong about this.

    Perhaps it is time to reassess their priorities. Well, Trump's supporters don't want to think about that, either.
     
  20. Natty Bumpo

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    You can pretend that partisanship dictates that Republicans impeaching Clinton necessitated that Democrats must mimic them 20 years later if you wish.

    There are no "new tools."

    If a whistleblower should again file a complaint with credible evidence of serious malfeasance by any president, the proper constitutional recourse will again be undertaken.
     
  21. TurnerAshby

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    Fine no new tools ok new boundaries
     
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    That is what I have been saying all along but Trump fans just play Trump and could care less for the truth.
     
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    Funny!
     
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    Trump does not appear to have a coherent defense of his behavior but, rather, is lashing out irrationally.

    This is but one example - Trump's knee-jerk need to smear the whistleblower whom he raged was a "paritsan!" despite not knowing his identity.

    Trump says, "I made a call. The call was perfect. When the whistleblower reported it, he made it sound terrible!"

    vs

    Trump's Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community’s Statement on Processing of Whistleblower Complaints:


    We have Trump's uninformed, emotional outburst on the one hand, and the informed and reasoned assessment of Trump's Intelligence Community Inspector General on the other.

    Obviously, such stark contradictions require the Congressional inquiry to ascertain the truth.

    For some, a mindless devotion to their "Emperor God" demands that facts do not matter.

    Most folks still respect them.
     
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    The same constitutional standards for the impeachment of a President that applied for Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, and Bill Clinton still apply.
     
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