If Democratic Socialism Works, Why Doesn’t Venezuela Have Toilet Paper?

That is exactly right. Socialism STEALS from those that will work. In plain words government theft.

 

Sometimes "inequalities" are inequalities for a REASON - like hard work, smart work, luck, and did I mention hard work. Leftists see an inequality and always assume that the under-achiever is that way because the achiever must be evil.

 

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Seems they've continued to make the same mistakes for over 100 years and have yet to understand their failures.

 

The USSR! Well, not forever, but for a few years.

 

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Thanks, I forgot to mention the great food and let's not forget the leather goods. My wife bought three bags back and I have belts that I still wear and they look as good as the day I ought them.

 

That's not what I asked. I asked who were the idiots who had hope that Chavez would fix Venezuela? It wasn't me. I knew it would be a disaster.

 

The Scandinavian countries are cutting back their social spending.

http://fortune.com/2016/01/26/democrat-bernie-sanders-scandinavia-socialism/

 

The real problem with socialism is that eventually, "Some animals are more equal than others" to quote Animal Farm. The above is an example of that. The sad thing is it's inevitable. Every socialist country has had a party apparatus, where the party members live more equally than the population. The thing is, Chavez' daughter was a piker. Some of the cabinet (Finance maybe) members had over $12 billion in foreign assets.

 

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america
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Oh no that was never socialism at least not the kind they're trying to advocate for apparently I don't know what other kind of is.

 

There's one!

 

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Then why was it called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic whose ideology was and is called Communism.

 

Government is a vampire, sucking the life blood out of the host country.

 

Because that's bad socialism and they want good socialism you just haven't given it a chance.

Sorry I don't know if you're taking me seriously but I'm simply mocking this stupidity of idiots who live in this glorious capitalistic sort of society and they can look at all the good capitalism has done we're poor people even get to own cars in our country nonetheless they're obese so they're not starving they get Healthcare regardless of Affordable Care Act and what not.

I wouldn't take to arguing with these people just mark them because they don't know what they're talking about.

 

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No, no... I knew you were writing with tongue in cheek. I was just agreeing with you showing that after 100 years of failure of Marxist Socialism their latest attempt in Venezuela shows it's still failure.

 

Well it frankly goes against human nature and reality. In life survival is best accomplished and easiest accomplished if you have more material now Building A system that works on those Primal instincts to gain more is an absolute when building a system where everybody gets equal regardless of how much they do means nobody is going to do anything or very few people are going to do anything. Because why do if you can get the same for not doing.

 

Apparently it may also have to do with federal governments of any flavor run by “unitary executives”, especially when fueled by socioeconomic circumstances of the **** hitting the fan.

 

Sweden and other European countries aren't socialist either. They are all capitalist countries. If they were socialist like Nicaragua or Cuba they would have economies like Nicaragua and Cuba. Even China and Russia are capitalist countries. While you champion socialism by not being a socialist you show how confused you are about the difference between economic and political systems. The places you think are socialist have capitalist economies and political systems with a high level of social spending. I will leave the discussion for why a high level of government social spending is bad for another time.

 

That is because they are capitalist countries. In a socialist economy - like that of Cuba or Venezuela - the government owns and runs the businesses and ends up becoming corrupt beyond what a capitalist economy will allow. What you want is to have government take from the rich and give to the poor. We can discuss that at another time.

 

It was the Venezuelan voters who first elected him to office. He "won" successive elections without any help from the voters. Having been to Venezuela pre-Chavez I can tell you that Venezuela was the either the most prosperous country per capita in South America or nearly so.

 

The most advanced democracies on earth practice regulated capitalism with a strong social welfare component.

If a media entertainer finds himself panicking because of a lack of toilet paper, he is not in any of those nations.

 

Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Vietnam most of Europe and the United States of America.

All of these countries have what are called "hybrid" economies. They are generally capitalist but they have large institutions and segments of the economy that are distinctly socialist in theory and operation.

 

Right wingers try to point to nations like Sweden and say "well they aren't really socialist"...because they ARE successful

Of course they are FAR more socialist than even Bernie would propose...but hey...right wingers are not known for honesty or coherent arguments

 

We agree there for the most part. Instead of using the word "strong" I would use "excessive." Governments in capitalist countries spend what they have and then look for more to spend in an endless cycle. The capitalism is working fine. The governments not so much.

 

With your broad and finely analytical mind, are you able to include the effect of sanctions against Venezuela over a decade or more? Do you think those might have an effect on the availability of toilet paper?

Here in my county, toilet paper has been unavailable for several weeks.