If Gun Confiscation Was Legally Passed and Upheld by the Court...

In today's world we are not going to be able to successfully fight off a government with small arms. You also have consider the fact that the FF had just gotten free from a tyrannical government and their thinking was that in the foreseeable future the new government would have the same tools in terms of weapons. The FF also put into the Constitution checks and balances to stop a tyrant from emerging. The smartest way to stop a tyrant is through Constitutional and political means. We need to watch the current tyrant in training so that we do not have to use our 2nd Amendment rights. A guy like ODL who loves tyrants such as Kim and Putin is a rea danger to our rights as Americans.

 

If the gov attacks it's own citizens with military might, all is lost anyway.

 

So what. Do you think your trivial fetishes for 1800s technology outweigh your neighbors right to be free from your toxic pollution? And you can use a small heater. not a hard problem to solve.

 

Because you thing I advocate that.
That is mostly your issue, not mine.

I am, socially liberal, however. But certainly hate paying taxes as much as most anyone does.
I am very fiscal, almost by nature.
Most likely it's just we disagree on where the tax money should be spent.

 

They have made significant improvements with LED's but they haven't been perfected yet.

I predict sooner than later with LED lighting, everyone will be wearing prescription glasses.

 

Hyperbole much?

 

Or who should pay it and how much a government needs or should be doing

 

This is 100 year old technology...

 

No match for my 1900s technology.

 

Interesting, as I have never threatened any of my neighbors rights to be free.

 

We don't believe in unlimited democracy. Right and wrong are not subject to majority opinion. Self defense (and thereby gun rights) will always be lawful and orderly just as are the rights to breathe oxygen, to not be property and to believe (or not) in God (as examples).

We believe in the limits defined constitutionally not because they're the law, but because they make sense. If you want us to abandon the constitution, all you have to do is mess it up with socialist progressive nonsense.

But we're a long way from having to worry about any of that. I think we all know that such things really arent all that popular (not enough to pass in a ConCon anyway).
There is literally nothing that is going to convince people who value individual liberty that the collective (read mob) has legitimate authority over their own freedom of choice.

We value the constitution because it protects individual liberty. When it doesn't, we wont value the constitution anymore.

 

No, I would not, but then I don't pretend to cloak myself with the "law and order" banner, and I'm for Black Lives Matter, not Blue Lives Matter.

That's my point: you can't say you're for law and order and "blue lives matter", if there are circumstance where you would disobey the law and shoot cops.

 

Because gun confiscation proposals by Democrat presidential candidate(s) and mass shootings have been in the news lately.

 

No, because the mere idea of taking away guns is ridiculous, can't happen. The effort would be beyond biblical. FYI, do a web search on gun smiths, look at the numbers, all one needs to do is forge the barrel, all the rest can be stamped, let alone that 3-d printing is here already, albeit, not in a metallurigical fashion.

 

That's my point: you can't say you're for law and order and "blue lives matter", if there are circumstance where you would disobey the law and shoot cops.[/QUOTE]

But there are no circumstances where you would disobey the law and shoot black people?

 

Dems are the ones who knowingly do not follow laws. You know like sanctuary cities and immigration etc. So if Conservative's did it why would that be a problem for you. Dems already set the stage. There would be a war. We are in the beginning stages now. And lets not forget all the laws that were broken in this whole Russia thing. Socialism will never be the American way.

 

As I understand it, laws can be passed only if they are not in violation of the Constitution. That means one of two things:
1. The second amendment is amended
2. The law works in conjunction with the Constitution such as certain guns being determined to be other than the second amendment allows, as in "assault weapons" for example.

If neither of those two is in effect then both the law and the Supreme Court would be at fault.

 

If the cops can seize property without putting you on trial (asset forfeiture), and the government can literally take your house for a new highway (eminent domain, which Trump loves, by the way), you think taking away some specific guns is ridiculous? Lol. What's ridiculous is losing your property because the 405 needs to be widened.

 

It would probably fall under (2), like other weapon bans.

ETA: Even if we amended the Constitution, I don't think any of the conservatives here would turn in their guns. Am I right on that, conservatives? Would any of you turn in your guns if we just amended the Constitution and changed the 2nd Amendment?

 

If Gun Confiscation Was Legally Passed and Upheld by the Court...

Then the constitution would be removed as the founding document of our government and our government would have been changed to something that is not of, by and for the people. Freedom would be a distant memory.

 

I hated Bush and his "patriot act". You attempt to paint the entire right as supporters of it, is very intellectually lazy and partisan. No one is required to like everything a POTUS does.

 

Both sides break numerous laws, laws of for the people not the politicians.

It’s a problem because the level that is allowed by the red team is where the blue team starts and then they further corrupt the system. Then red team picks up where blue team left off. It’s a never ending downward spiral.

We already have numerous instances of socialist institutions.

I really don’t think many people even understand what socialism is.

You war fearmongering is noted.

 

Good stuff.

BUT, what "Socialism" ISN'T is the Fearmongering RW Fever Swamp MISCHARACTERIZATION of the term.

 

Actual socialism: the government controlling the means of production. Nobody on the Left or Right wants that, although both members of the Left and Right support socialistic policies.