IF.... Hillary comes back will Bernie supporters vote for her this time?

All of them.

 

Bernie Sanders is a Democratic Socialist. He isn't a Communist.

 

Sorry... the pc term is Socialist. Better?

 

Here are a few socialist things:
1) Public schools
2) Roads and freeways
3) Social Security and Medicare
4) US post office

I like using all of these things. Also, rich people like socialism too, whenever it helps them. Remember when the government bailed out the banks back in 2008? That was socialism.
When people lost their homes because they couldn't pay the mortgage, that was capitalism.
See how that works?

 

It's called propaganda and the left has swallowed it well.

Facts from an educator:

Looks like Khrushchev was right.

 

The reason people are willing to consider socialism is because they've been kicked in the butt by capitalism. Using scare tactics, like something Khrushchev said 60 years ago, isn't going to change anything.
Bernie Sanders 2020. (Some days I'm for Bernie. Others days I'm for Tom Steyer)

 

Right!

 

I like Andrew Yang, & think his idea for giving every family $1,000. per month is ingenious & highly likely to work. But I don't want Yang as the VP candidate because I don't believe businessmen make good Presidents. Business & government fill two separate & distinct needs in society. Business focuses on making profits for its owners &/or investors. Government is designed to provide core services needed by any society for its well being. Businessmen are so used to thinking in terms of profits, they struggle with the concept that government provides services & profits aren't necessary to be successful. Instead of adapting to that way of thinking, businessmen tend to try & force government into a business mold, in which they don't fit. This creates unnecessary stresses on everyone, & always leads to economic instability or worse. I believe leaders with backgrounds working in government, are more successful. But back to Mr. Yang. . .I do like him & his ideas, so I would suggest including him in the President's Cabinet.

 

Other than hating Trump, I don't see why anybody would vote for any of these Dems. What is it they're promising that attracts you?

 

How about upping the healthcare & living conditions of the majority of Americans who are in the middle & working classes instead of the super wealthy alone? How about helping guarantee that our young people don't find themselves in debt for $100,000-$300,000 upon graduation from college? How about renewing public trust in our Constitutional government & our free press, instead of sowing the seeds of distrust in both as Trump has consistently done for his entire campaign & Presidency? How about fixing the trashed relationships we once had with our long term allies in Europe, Asia, S America & other places scattered around the world, that Trump has gone out of his way to destroy? How about caring enough about our planet & the life that lives upon it, to make an attempt to undo the damage we & our technology have done to it, mostly in the lifetimes of those currently alive? How about making the election of the President a true democratic process by deposing the Electoral College, which allows the voices of the states to overpower the voice of the people themselves? How about re-injecting truth & honesty back into the realm of Politics after both have been badly diminished by Trump with his consistent lies?

 

You were on a roll til you mentioned doing away with the EC. That's not gonna happen.

Anybody willing to work hard for it can attain the American Dream. Nobody unwilling to work hard deserves to have it.. and the govt damn well ain't gonna hand it out.

IOW

 

Thank you. That is a beautiful response.

 

Delusional, but well stated.

 

Hillary WON'T "come back".

So the question is (completely) moot.

 

In my personal view, EVERY American deserves to have that American dream, & the more Americans who actually do, the greater our country actually becomes. Right now, we're stuck in a period when fewer & fewer Americans are achieving it, & it's degrading our country. I disagree with your logic.

 

I think that would depend on what your view of the dream is. We all are doing pretty well but I could agree it could be better.

 

A truly successful America makes room for anyone's dream being obtainable. For some, it's financial success. For others, it's success in some personal occupation. For others, its success in education, or social services, or science, or hundreds of other possibilities. Conservatives tend to measure success in economic terms alone, & judge harshly those who don't measure up in that one narrow region of life. Liberals are far more holistic in their fields of acceptable valuation, & less judgmental from the economic perspective. Over the past four decades, America has become increasingly fixated on funneling more wealth to the wealthiest families, while freezing income for the working classes. The capitalist system that did that has failed America, & needs fixing or replacing. If America is ever to become the land where dreams come true, it must be that way for everyone, not for just the wealthiest families.

 

Even those who live in mom s basement and play video games all day? And those irresponsible women who have six kids, live on welfare and smoke crack all day?

You may be willing to pay for their share of the American Dream, but I'm not.

 

Dreams are attainable if you prepare and work for it. Not really sure what your holistic version pertains to. There is one school of thought that we reap what we sow and another that we should reap our share of a neighbors crop. That would be progressive thinking but truth is our neighbor doesn't owe us a share.

We can work for another, run our own business or farm or choose a tent on a street in San Francisco, wherever our dreams take us. If you choose to spend your time picking flowers and writing poetry you better be able to sell your work or maybe run for Congress.

 

Great post. ITA

This sense of entitlement always amazes me. If they got their way and all the money on earth was divided equally among all the people, every person would have a little over $40k... and nothing more coming in.

Their dreams are unrealistic... and juvenile. No matter what their age.

 

In 6 months the people that have it now would have it again

 

And in 6 weeks, the folks that have nothing now would have nothing again.

Can't legislate human nature.



Progressives will always be dissatisfied.

 

How do you separate those few from the many who actually need & appreciate your help? Do you fail to respond to the need of the many because of the misbehavior of the few? Is that your way?

 

Based on your post, with its concentration on economics, I get the impression you think conservative. If so, your response fits nicely into my post. Most conservatives get upset over the thought of being forced to share some of their personal income with others in need around them. As a liberal who thinks that improving the general good also improves my life personally, I don't mind contributing. Part of personal happiness comes from helping others.

 

How do you feel about sharing your funds with a masked man with a gun at your ATM?