If Jesus died for my sins

My memory is better than yours is, then, because my history with you goes back years, and you did say that, but either one is so ridiculous as to be laughable.

And yes, I can explain the moral aspects but it would be a waste of time.

 

Lol...you are hilarious!
Another common trait of you narcissists....find faults with everyone but yourself...
Tell me what if anything you have said "that is factual in three days".

 

Goodbye, troll....

 

RE: If Jesus died for my sins
SUBTOPIC: The Responsibility of the Supreme Being
⁜→ Injeun, Greatest I am, et al,

BLUF: There are some perspectives that absolve the Supreme Being. In fact, there is the question as to whether or not the Supreme Being is even subject to any human concepts of honesty, justice, truth, responsibility, and integrity.

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(We are now tied to the precepts of the Abrahamic Religions.)

We need to take a step back on the concept that a mere human (a product of the creator) has the ability to take responsibility for anything. This is just another avenue to the question of "Free Will."

IF a human personality has "Free Will" THEN and improper behaviors are a manifestation of the flaw the Supreme Being (intentionally or unintentionally) has made in the creation.

IF the Supreme Being is perfect and cannot make a mistake, then the improper behaviors exhibited by humans are a direct result of the outcome of the Supreme Beings' production of the life-form.

IF the Supreme Being knows today what I'm going to do tommorrow, THEN no matter what choices I make tommorrow, I have NO CHOICE but to make them. Because the Supreme Being cannot know something that is untrue. Therefore, "FREE WILL" is an illusion.

Humans born today with any type of defect, that suffering is the direct responsibility of the Supreme Beings creation process. That suffering upon an infant is the direct responsibility of the creator. IF this is NOT true, THEN one of two things are true:

The Supreme Being is imperfect.

The Supreme Being operates in a fashion that lacks a sense of conscience and justice.​

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This cannot be true.

By what manner of logic makes you think this is true?


Most Respectfully,
R

 

You might try not telling lies.

 

Pot trying to tar the Kettle Black I see ! Down the dark path you have gone .. self deception - and projection.

The depiction of YHWH in the OT - is what it is .. but you do not have to believe this about God .. Only a literalist has such a requirement.

Are you a literalist ? Every Word of the Bible is God Breathed ? - I thought not - but perhaps I am mistaken.

That stories about one of Enlil's many sons - necessarily represents "The Most High"

OK .. later on YHWH morphs into the most high - but at this time period - it is not El that is being worshiped - aka - The God of Abraham.

So we need not worry about these squabbles among the lesser Gods - and the stories told in their name .. edicts given . and so on.

Only one rule need be followed - given to you by the poster you were responding to - the rule you Politely dismiss - and that Rule is Golden.

Notice that YHWH morphs into the "Most High" - just as Jesus morphs into the Most High ... another of God's Sons.

Goggle not the Bible - but this time Google Ancient Babylon - and go through the history .. say 1500BC on down - and notice the names of many of the Kings .. named after the God of their City .. Enlil being common - but also other sons such as Murduk who morphs into - takes on attributes .. of Enlil - and many others.

So many battles are being fought back and forth .. Assyrians of course have the same Religion as the Babylonians - a religious history that goes back over 2000 years prior. .. continuous religious history - shared .. Enlil still at the top to everyone .. including the Israelites at this time.. but each City had their own God - and it was those two God's who went to war .

Read this history - "As If" it was the history of the Israelites - Because It Is the history of the Israelites after the Exodus.

Then will you better start to understand the Most High - and the Bible ..

Speaking of which .. Psalm 82 - This Translation - from the original - guessing the Masoretic Text - https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa82.pdf

See how El is Depicted as the Most High - albeit in the background .. it is in the Council of El - El is the Judge - YHWH is making the case against the other Gods .. other "Son's of God" - those other Gods that YHWH has been warring against for roughly 3-400 years - Exodus to Solomon - just as your Bible tells you.

In Psalm 82 - YHWH is victorious - and defeats all the other Sons of God - and they are condemned to Death -

 

Historically I don't believe most things you say because it is you who said it and it will always be fiction. Also, one of the most prominent characteristics of people who project their faults onto others is that they accuse others of doing the same thing.

 

Jesus died to save us from our sins, not in them. If you have no appreciation and do not repent, then you keep your sins and remain blind to Gods honor and glory. Not to mention cheating yourself out of the enlargement of your own soul.

 

Roman 6 covers this. Most of the posters like JP want to teach you theology but they dont know the Bible themselves.

 

I did not project anything onto you...you were the one who was telling another poster they were lying - when it turned out the reverse was true.

Now you are trying to project your failings onto me - because you can not handle the material presented and so you default to demonization of the messenger - rather than addressing the message.

 

Many mock and reject Jesus Christ and his Gospel. But like a colony of the infirm, I am a multitude of faults and shortcomings. So I request and welcome his charity and presence in spirit and word. Even the strength of my endowments I incline to his favor as an offering and show of honor. I put down my pride. It is all that I can do. My debt is no less than honesty, nor more than all that I am. I am never more than his favor. But I am glad and at peace with it. God is good.

There is no err in worship. Nor to beseech as it were one's Parent or elder, like a prayer for gift or guidance. And leave then stronger or greater endowed. We are all born in need. Praise then is all that we have to give, as it is all a gift, this life.

Call my words and my God a crutch of the crippled. But living in a fantasy or dream that passes away unrecalled by the non believers is hardly a stout and mighty castle throughout the eons. We all live, work, struggle and play. So to whom rests the advantage?

 

He WAS lying. Or he was making it up, but with the availability of real information out there you two can't be as wrong as you are and be sincere about it. Personally I think you just pull that crap of the internet without knowing whether it's true or not.

Get this through your head: it is not my responsibility to prove you wrong, it's YOUR responsibility to make your case, and you never do. You just bury us in your meaningless word salads and expect us to take it.

So put up or shut up. I say you're both lying - prove you're not instead of badmouthing me.

 

I read the post - did not see any lies .. you were the one that shouted Liar - where was the lie ?

 

He wasn't responding to you. Maybe you should allow the poster to whom he responded speak for himself rather than you trying to put words in his mouth yet to be opened. y/n?

 

What words did I put in his mouth.. ?

 

Everything that you have said to Its Just Me on the other posters behalf according to IJM's response to the other poster.

 

You claimed I put words in his mouth .. either put up or **** up - what words did I put in his mouth ?

What is further nonsense was that most of my post was on the Golden Rule and the ancient Gods - so your "Everything" claim .. is a preposterous falsehood..

Now go away ... and stop trolling me.

 

I just told you what you said. Do you not understand english. Your entire string was a barge in into an exchange between two other posters as if you could speak for the first party. You cannot. So butt out.

 

No you didn't what you stated was "Everything" citing not a single example .. and I will barge into an exchange if I want to.. do move along and stop this incessant trolling .. and making claims you can't back up.

 

Many read the bible and interact with those who take it literally, and feel a need to protect themselves from this. Although Jesus himself is depicted as a peaceful hippy (ironic given how Christian conservatives today are the opposite), the concepts of vocarious redemption and oroginal sin are immoral, and the intolerance of monotheism ("no gods before me; dont suffer a witch to live; kill the infidels") drove Christians to conquer and brutalize the planet.

A little mockery seems awfully tame in comparison.

Often a crutch, yes, but also a weapon to brutalize others as history has shown.

The dogs. Its always the dogs. You see, all you theists have it backwards. doG is superior to God in every way. Dog offers comfort just like religion does but can also provide cuddles. You say Jesus loves you, but he never cuddles you.

 

See? You don't know the truth from a lie. Read it again and you tell me. The fact is that its all a lie, and it always has been.

 

Mostly valid points. Imo dogs don't live long enough. Their life spans should be similar to humans because they become family members. We still mourn our Siberian Husky, Sheba, who wasn't really a dog in our estimation. She was more an emissary who learned our traditions and ways, broke bread with us, told great jokes, pulled us into her world and cuddled up in our hearts.

 

I have been reading this forum and your crsp for several years and you can never back up your ridiculous claims but you expect others to prove you wrong and no, we have no intention of chasing down your conspiracy theories when the truth is so much easier to find.

 

The candle that burns half as long burns twice as bright. Dogs bring us so much love that it limits their lifespan. I miss my dog Cody too. He was like a son to me and he used to regale me with all the local dog politics after checking his pee mail on his walks.

 

It is not a lie - You are projecting your tendencies onto others.

YHWH is depicted as xenophobic genocidal God - with the most petty and nasty of human emotions and characteristics .. a flip flopping God who commands the killing of children and babies for the sins of their parents.

Have you not read the OT ?