If liberals are smart and highly educated ---- why this

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  1. IMMensaMind

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    That's a leftist talking point, but it's a total lie. Did you know that 19 million of the 23 million claimed already don't have health care?

    No, you didn't.

    http://thepoliticalinsider.com/obamacare-uninsured-reports-massive-lie/


    Rob? How? This is money that is earned far more people than 'millionaires and billionaires'. Your statement is nothing more than another leftist squawking point. It's a reduction in wage rates.

    How many "millionaires and billionaires" do you know who earn their money via wages?

    And how does taking less money from those who pay the lion's share of taxes already harm people who are already not paying much of anything?
     
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    No, revisionist. I said that leftists such as yourself love to lecture EVERYONE that they don't know what socialism is. My family lived it. I know it far better than do you.


    :lol: You know what I don't know? :lol:

    Wow! You seem so confident of what I don't know! :lol:

    Everyone knows what you leftists talk about, and it's manifest in Bernie Sanders' beliefs. It's absolutely unacceptable to people like me, and will result in a wealth drain.

    Just like those "successful" socialist countries you claim you know about. I'll go ahead and put words - countries - in your mouth.

    My. You'd think if this 'democratic socialism' you're in love with were so grand, the Scandinavians themselves wouldn't be allowing those opposed to increase in power, would you?

    Seems like you should stop sucking down the koolaid and open your eyes to the real problems. Even in homogenous and incomparable places like Scandinavia, this system you love is failing.
     
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    you havent proven anything except maybe to the guys next to you at the bar.

    :fart:
     
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    Greed is always a factor, but we don't have to continue to allow it to control our lives or our society. That's a choice, and that choice determines the state of our world reality. We (collectively) are in charge. We make our own reality.
     
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    No, Capitalism makes money for those who already have it.
     
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    So then next time a conservative starts saying that welfare programs, universal healthcare, and other things they have in the Scandinavian states are "socialist", you will inform them that they are not, yes?
     
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    What you lived doesn't make you an expert in political science. I don't lecture anybody. I just point out that you have much to learn before you try to categorize the left and put it in one bag.

    I'm sure you know now, because there I explained it to you

    Well, you miss again.... I don't want a "socialist country", or even a Social Democratic country. I want Social Democratic policies.

    Ideologism is for fanatics.

    Wouldn't it be better to ask people what they think before you throw them into the same bag?

    I reject the concept that Ideology (any ideology) trumps everything. I favor the implementation of Social-democratic solutions to problems that warrant such solution. Such as defense of the right to Healthcare, fair distribution of wealth, Democracy, , ... I also favor non social-democratic solutions where they are better. For example I was in favor of the bank bail out (few things are so far from socialism), because it was necessary. I favor sensible Free Trade Agreements. I favor the elimination of wasteful spending in government (which used to be a "conservative" position... though not anymore), so long as it really is wasteful... I could go on...
     
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    Socialism?

    you mean like the FDIC, Social Security and Medicare?

    Like SSDI and the VA Medical system?

    Like Unemployment Insurance?

    those terrible & horrible things?
     
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    Non sequitur. I never claimed that, just that I and my family knows socialism firsthand.


    Sounds like you lecturing. Looks like you lecturing. There is nothing wrong with generalization. If you are that different from "a leftist", you can try to tell me why - and explain what I got wrong.


    No, you didn't. You got it wrong, which is why equivocated. You don't really know at all.


    :lol:

    If the US implements Social Democratic policies, the US becomes a Social Democracy. Derp.

    Rudders are for ships.

    This from the guy who claimed he "knows what I don't know". :lol:

    Contradictory poster is contradictory.

    Why? I already know what you are. Wrong.
     
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    Social Security is pure robbery. Unemployment insurance is a private entity.

    You're all over the place.
     
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    Powerful video, but not surprising. Just depressing. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    Great. That was my point...

    It's not my intention to lecture you, but how can I respond to this without sounding like I'm lecturing, given that you insist on displaying such ignorance.

    The US has already implemented Social Democratic policies!

    Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, Civil Rights, voter-right protection, .... the preamble to the Constitution of the United States....

    So since, according to your logic (not mine), that makes the U.S. a Social Democracy, you have your answer to your question about which Socialist country has been successful.

    Ok. Apparently you have officially abandoned all pretense that you were carrying out a serious debate. So, as a last effort to bring you back to Earth, let me ask you this. When you and your family experienced socialism, which Social Democratic policies did you fear most? Was it universal healthcare? was it Democracy and protecting the right to vote? Was it the safety net for the poor? Was it providing for the well being of the elderly?

    Which one?
     
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