If Mohammad was alive today, and had sex with a kid, would Muslims demand jail time?

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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    Question: if Mohammad was an adult and alive today, and was proven in a court of law (today) to have recently had sex with say a 9-year-old child, would Muslims demand he be tossed in jail for many many years?

    Me, as a Modern Secular Humanist who cares for innocent children, if say Trump or Obama was proven to have sex with a kid I'd want him thrown in jail for many many years, so of course I'd want fair and equal justice for Mohammad's (hypothetical) victim if Mohammad did the same today as well.

    Do you think Muslims have the same (or higher/lower) moral level as Modern Secular Humanists on this one issue? Please let us know.
     
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    I think a lot of lukewarm Muslims would quit their religion if confronted with the truth of it.
     
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    Given Mooslumic sexual behavior in Europe lately...

    ... they'd probably give him a pat on the back...

    ... and an 'atta boy!'
    :eekeyes:
    They also need to take an honest, cold, hard look at the sexual propensities of their 'Prophet'...

    ... and honestly ask themselves if this is someone who deserves to be followed?
     
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    It was common for thirteen year old girls to be married in the United states up until the made it illegal...I think in the 70's. It's still common in many other countries today...and not just in Muslim countries.

    There's a saying , that as soon as there is a twelve year old virgin in Rio de Janeiro, the statue of Jesus will clap.
     
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    I'm sure you are right as usual.
    How can we get the truth to them?
     
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    I suspect their responses would vary greatly, much as the responses of any mixed group of individuals are faced with crimes of someone significant to them, such as Catholic priests accused of child abuse, senior politicians accused of corruption or free-speech “whistle-blowers” accused of espionage.

    It’s almost as if Muslims are individual human beings with personal opinions, attitudes, virtues and flaws.
     
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    Whoa there! Pedophilia is apparently ok, because the #1 prophet of god himself (Mohammad) did it....well, uh, at least 1.5 billion people won't condemn Mohammad for having sex with 9-year-old Aisha - even when presented to them as a hypothetical. And Obama said "the future does not belong to those who slander Aisha's rapist" (ok, he mentioned him differently, but still.....)
     
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    Allah didn't understand that sex with a small child hurts the child in untold ways, and didn't understand also that, for example, SLAVERY was also wrong, and that torture is wrong, and that chopping off hands and feet is wrong, and that women should not be beaten (like Allah advises in Qur'an 4:34.)

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    I'd bet that 99.9% of them would defend him, in this case, at least based on my interactions with Muslims in the past. Prove me wrong - I'm convinced that you can't. Until proven wrong, based on Muslims in the past, most readers of this will assume that they won't condemn him if he raped a 9-year-old today (hypothetically). The Islamic texts do not say "Mohammad is only a role model for this time, not for future times"...no, Mohammad is the best role model for all time, so not surprisingly he's the "final" prophet of god. Hopefully I can teach you how Muslims think.
     
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    Can we at least agree that we care about innocent children that are raped, and that having a prophet that had sex with a child (and is revered by billions) can possibly be a real bad thing for the world? Possibly a disturbing situation? Can we?
     
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    Muslims would likely give the prophet a pass and possibly even use at an example in defense to enable them to do the same. Islam is being used as reason to do absolutely disgusting things already and a little more sexual deviancy pales when compared to burning people alive, beheadings, sexual slavery and wholesale slaughter.

    At this point I do not put ANYTHING beyond the brutality of these people...and no longer even care if there are peaceful, loving, nice Muslims.

    You have ALL been placed into the disgusting box...DEAL WITH IT!
     
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    I should nominate you for best post of the day.

    Yes, the peaceful Muslims seem to be IRRELEVANT at this point in the war. This is the longest war in US history, with fronts in this war in Iraq, France, Yemen, Syria, Israel/PT, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Nigeria (Boko Haram), Chad, Somalia (Al Shabaab), Chechnya, Philippines, and increasingly in other parts of Europe.

    We love peaceful Muslims and invite them to join our side of the war.
     
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    I believe that if Mo was alive today, he would follow contemporary cultural norms and those norms clearly exclude sex with children.
    Just like he did when he was alive in the first half of the 7th century.

    the problem is that many muslims believe that many of the societal norms of the 7th century are applicable in the 21st.
    Much like other types of theists whose world view is shaped by metal age scriptures and man made dogma.
     
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    Of course I can’t prove your opinion about an impossible hypothetical situation wrong (though you can’t prove mine wrong either). I can point out the rhetoric in your opinion such as the “99.9%” there. I challenge you to identify any large group of people where 99.9% of them agree on anything (that doesn’t define the group in itself).

    Obviously I care about children being raped. I care even it’s not by a Muslim. I also dislike the blind reverence (religions or otherwise) of anyone.

    I don’t actually think this element of Muhammed’s life in itself has any direct influence on modern Muslims though, especially secular westernised ones. I think there are much more significant elements of Islam that need some kind of “reformation” but this kind of attack against Muslims in general can only serve to put them on the defensive and push them further back in to their traditions.
     
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    You are mostly correct, but Mohammad did what Allah believed in, and I'm pretty sure Allah believed that it was ok to have sex with kids or else he would have said to Mohammad "oh, and stop screwing the kid, you're making my religion look bad, as pedophilia will be shown to be immoral". Allah does not CHANGE his morals to suit the mortal humans at the time! He knows better than we do, apparently....but apparently he didn't know that little children are terribly hurt by pedophilia, so of course he's not actually real.

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    But belief that Mohammad was perfect virtually DOES define the group (Muslims) itself!
     
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    So then, uh, let's never condemn, say for example, THE NAZIS for hating Jews so much because that might "put them on the defensive and push them further back in to their traditions"! Let's also never ever ever question, say, white Southern racists, because that might "put them on the defensive and push them further back in to their traditions". No, let's go back in a time machine and NOT complain about the "whites only" water fountains, for example!
     
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    I totally agree that the metal age gods are not real.
    On the other hand, if you are attempting to make the case that Islam is a false religion because of the behavioral norms of the day, and some other religion is the one true one, then your position is entirely hypocritical.
     
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    That is true.
    I see this a lot with Christians who condemn Islam, but don't see the failings of their own unscientific and immoral religion.
     
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    No, it's like in the 1950s saying all Germans would support Hitler if he came back.

    You're not condemning Muslims (individually or as a whole) for something they've actually done, you're condemning all Muslims for a hypothetical you've unconditionally declared they'd all do. I don't see the point other than just piling on the hate. What else did you expect this thread to achieve?
     
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    It would be refreshing if, in the many many times on the many forums I frequent, if people could just be honest and say "yes, Mohammad's behavior was terrible and Muslims need to acknowledge that"....INSTEAD people constantly defend Muslims for not condemning Mohammad for ANYTHING, nothing....I've ask what would Mohammad have had to do, bad, hypothetically for them to leave Mohammad, and they can't think of ANYTHING. That's disgusting - but in all fairness Christians say the same about Jesus. Brainwashed people.
     
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    Mo did what ALLAH approved of, and ALLAH approved of adults having sex with children (i.e Allah approved of rape of a child.)
     
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    I'd like to evidence for this, as I simply don't believe it
     
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    I condemn god for his infanticide in the Bible, and Christians for believing that an infanticidal lunatic is worth worshipping...can you, here and now do that, Ronstar?
     
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    The Bible is a barbaric book, full of allegory and metaphors.

    but we in the modern world undestand that a book need not be perfect to be considered significant.

    for its time, the Bible was truly revolutionary.
     
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    Yes, it was truly revolutionary....and truly revulsive....certainly not a book that should be, today, looked at for moral guidance.
     

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