If no Brexit Deal, Brits will face wide ranging travel chaos to the EU

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...iving-licences-eurostar-cars-eu-a8536566.html

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    PLEASE ... my dear Pro-Brexit people here ...
    This is in no way any malice of the EU or revenge of the EU because of the BREXIT !!!
    No, that is perfectly normal, because if there is no bilateral agreement between the two - UK and EU - that is part of the current BREXIT negotiations, then international law and treaty comes into force ... or what you do yourself settle and decide as rule with regard to entry of the other.

    If nothing happens here, it means, among other things, that the purely British driving license when entering the EU is no longer sufficient, but an international driver's license is required. Likewise, a passport is required that is valid for more than 6 months.
    These are, as I said, international guidelines .... and therefore the whole thing is then automatically reversed, if EU citizens want to enter the UK.
     
  2. The Rhetoric of Life

    The Rhetoric of Life Well-Known Member

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    Will my 2018 - 2028 UK EU passport still be good for EU movement post Brexit under the current plans of no deal?

    It's red, it's EU, it says European Union on it, and it's British...
     
  3. Pycckia

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    Seems a small price to pay to regain national sovereignty. As a US citizen I need a passport and an international drivers license for Europe. It is no big deal. It doesn't feel chaotic at all.

    Really.
     
  4. Mandelus

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    No idea! But I think, if the passport is only valid until ... let's say May 2019, then you have a problem after the Brexit if you want to enter an EU country! if much longer so far no problem ... I guess?

    Also, most cars in the UK so synonymous have the typical EU plate, so left the EU flag with the Lönderkennzeichen (so you GB, D, in France F ...) ... which should then be synonymous replaced if you no longer belong to the EU. I also have no idea how this will be handled after BREXIT ...
     
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    International driving code dictates, if a UK car leaves UK (wherever it finds itself), it has to sport GB.... It can be an EU GB plate, or a big GB bumper sticker (which existed way before the EU) to enforce this law.

    That said, I live in Thornton Heath, I see EU plates LT, PL, NL, and RO and BG....
    It's interesting when I see a right hand hard with Romanian plates....
    When I see a right hand drive car with a customised plate GB registration, it's almost always an Irish import, which has a different warranty than cars originally registered in the UK.

    I saw a car with Turkish plates driving along Thornton Heath and I didn't know what it was, went home and Googled it.

    I know of one Spanish or Estonian car that lives around the corner, but that's not a common sighting in Thornton Heath, that plate.
     
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  6. Mandelus

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    Are only some examples...

    For me is this "gaining sovereignity back" chattering rediculous, because bull**** ... but no desire to discuss the BREXIT itself, because will happen, no matter who someone thinks about.

    Point is more that a cold BREXIT without "deal" between the UK and the EU will cause a total chaos and mess on both sides and endanger tens of thousands of jobs too.

    Going to the article in my OP ... there was that written:

    And further below we see more issues about as told in this UK media:

    This is all only a very small part of things ... a tip of the iceberg ... it depends to a huge mountain of issues which need a clear agreement between both how to act woith each other!
     
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    British driving licence was valid in Europe before the EU. It will be valid after.
    US driving licence is valid.
    Most countries driving licences are valid.

    It's OK to bomb the EU if they insist on being ****s.
    If you won't let us drive cars in your country, we will drive our tanks.


    You don't need agreement on anything mate.
    You need to agree it with yourself, that is all.

    The systems are in place. They are already agreed. They already work.
    If you actively choose to change them out of pure spite, and then go out of your way to do this.... then it's OK to punish you.

    My advice to you is "drop the hostility".
    Change your attitude to a co-operative one. You will get better results.


    You want to make this hard mate.
    But taking you right out of the equation is ridiculously easy.
    You are ****ing with the wrong people.
     
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  8. The Don

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    It will work as a post-Brexit UK passport and not an EU passport.

    If that means free movement within the EU as now then so much the better. If it means obtaining a visa every time you come to the EU then that will be a pain in the backside.

    It's likely that it will mean joining the non-EU line at passport control which, depending on airport and time of day can be a real disadvantage. Mrs Don used to be only a US citizen (she now also has UK citizenship), it once took nearly three hours for her to make it through immigration in Milan airport - we EU citizens on the same flight were through in 15 minutes.

    I expect that, post-Brexit, the UK will eventually be treated much like the US is now, with a visa waiver so no need for a visa but long waits at airport. How long it will take to negotiate that deal is anyone's guess.

    The bigger issue from my perspective will be how difficult and expensive it will be to get insurance (and breakdown insurance) cover for the EU once the UK leaves the EU. I remember my parents having to do a fair amount of tiresome and expensive admin before they took their car to the continent back in the early 70s
     
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    Internet age. It won't be hard.
    Harder. But not hard.

    Insurance is easy. Get it every time I go abroad. Click the link, pay.
    Eurotunnel can offer it as a bolt on with every ticket.

    Airports queues will be an issue in Milan, on the other hand you can have smaller queues on the way home to make up for it.
    No more being in the large EU queue at Heathrow while the small non EU queue scoots right through.

    In the past Visa's were done on the boat or the plane.
    It didn't take any extra time at all.
    Sign a waiver while sitting on your arse for hours bored with nothing else to do.
    Easy.
     
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  10. fmw

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    It may not be malice or revenge. It is simply another authority making laws that affect Brits - Brexit supporting or not. The UK needs to go through with it. Ceding sovereignty to another authority is a very, very bad idea.
     
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    If these are the best you can come up with, BREXIT is no big deal.

    I've go to admit all this alarmism leaves me skeptical.

    I am still waiting to see all the calamities which were supposed to be attendant on the election of Donald Trump.

    I am sure you all will be able to muddle through somehow.
     
  12. Mandelus

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    Not even this ... it is simply international law and agreements. If there is no bilateral agreement done which tells otherwise, then a Brit who travels to the EU is nothing different as an Brazilian .... but also in reverse is someone from the EU nothing different as a Brazilian if traveling to the UK.

    Bad for the UK and bad for the EU ... and this is why I am demanding that both sides should move their butt to get it sorted ... in favor of their own people!
     
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    I am able to make you a list ... but this costs much time... because this list is very long!
     
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    Brits are better than Brazilians?
     
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    No ... but both are then the same in handling at entry into the UK or into the EU with customs, maybe Visa and so on?
     
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    It's just malice mate.

    The laws are already in place. They pre-date the EU.
    It would actually cost them a lot of effort to change them.
    They would have to go out of their way to change an existing working system, for a system that has a problem with us.


    Essentially what is happening here is that the UK has rejected a deal with the EU.
    But the EU deal was pretty sweet for the EU and they don't want to lose it.

    But they aren't willing to offer a deal the UK considers fair (free trade in goods in exchange for free trade in services).
    So instead they are trying to leverage us with threats.
    Or as they would perhaps see it, "show us the advantages of being an EU member".

    Tough. We don't want to be and the time for negotiating was 3 years ago. That decision has been taken


    These are all essentially manouvres to get the British public to agree an FTA with the EU prior to it's leaving.
    It doesn't look like Parliament can get one passed as it stands.
    This has become apparent to the EU in recent days and weeks and now they are on a push to persuade everyone.
    Trouble is they suck at it.

    No carrot and tiny stick.


    From a British perspective the EU is negotiating from a position of great weakness.
    From an EU perspective it is negotiating from a position of great strength.
    Comedy gold.
    Negotiations are going no where.

    As widely predicted!
     
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    Oh Oh Oh ... be careful mate! Do not even try to blame the EU and its clowns for stopping the Brexit negotiations! I have followed them closely and in detail all the time, so you can forget it to sell me any British "Yellow Press BS view lies" ...
    FOR THIS, turn please to your own British politician clowns! Your Foreign Minister came up with the ludicrous Cherry Picking demands that of course he can forget! Since then, stoppage is because this jerk and also his successor actually thinks, a cold brexit is better and awesome!

    So ... if it comes to cold Brexit, lack of deal, then you are alone on your island the fault!
    Why should we accept your cherry picking, eh? Because you are the great UK or what? Come on...

    P.S.

    Brexit will happen and I have no problem with it ... but then let us make it with a proper end and an agreemnt with which both sides can live good ... in favour of all people on both sides! Agreed?
     
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    You are feeling the negativity of sending some of your sovereignty to another authority. Get out from under it regardless. It will only get worse. Governments seek power and control with an increasing appetite. EU is definitely a government. Perhaps you could close the tunnel from France. The inconvenience may motivate EU bureaucrats to fix the driver license problem.
     
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    I know. I was kidding. I suspect things will get better after Brexit is complete.
     
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    But with no agreements about these many "this and that issues" it will cause chaos ... chaos in the UK and chaos in the EU what the further relations of both is concerned for!
     

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