If Republicans are not ready to admit there was a quid pro quo...

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  1. ronv

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    §30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
    (a) Prohibition
    It shall be unlawful for-

    (1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

    (A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

    (B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

    (C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or


    (2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
     
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    It's a major breach of several campaign finance laws not to mention extortion...as well as abuse of Executive Power.
    See above
     
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    I would respond to this post except for the fact that it is indecipherable nonsense. Your questions are so far off base from anything that I said, it is hard to describe them as anything other than nutty. To make matters worse, it doesn't even bother to respond to what I had actually said.
     
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    Republicon$ lie. That's what they do yo
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually there is an actual obligation to look into corruption. What you don't hear about is the DOJ investigation that is currently looking into what the Bidens were up to right now.
     
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    Foreign aid is often based on "You do this, we'll give you this"... otherwise we'd regularly send aid to enemies.

    That being said, the timeline (and call) shows no such thing.

    It shows a POTUS, doing the job of POTUS.

    Just because someone might be a political rival, doesn't remove the responsibility of stopping corruption from the POTUS' job description.

    Anyway, Y'all rant on.

    And any bullshit quoting of me by liberals, gets you ignored.
     
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    That authority took it to the DOJ because it had nothing to do with the intelligence community. And the DOJ has made an assessment of the mostly hearsay material and found nothing wrong.

    The whistleblower has just been accused of leaking the contents of the call to the Mexican president to the press.

    There is plenty for Congress to be looking into. In other words, there is plenty to gain.
     
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    Joe himself provided, "probable cause," when he bragged about the Victor Shokin shakedown.
     
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    And?
     
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    Actually, I misread that.

    Yep, pretty much.
     
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    Well the quickest way to make that happen is to elect Democrats
     
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    The identity of the so-called whistleblower is central to understanding who the plotters of this hoax are.
     
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    Baloney. The president sets foreign policy and can change the terms of aid, just as a missile defense system was approved for Poland and Obama changed his mind and blocked it. And now you have a state department person, Croft, claim Trump held up aid to Ukraine in 2017 for the same thing, corruption.
     
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    They want the whistleblower's name so they can do character assassination instead of having to defend the actual facts.
     
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    From all I have heard and seen, just from logic, there is a quid but no pro nor no quo. For instance there was no mention whatsoever of the military aid in the now infamous call. And all who have commented -- first hand -- say their was no mention or thought about either Biden in the discussions on withholding military aid. And the aid was OKed (and it included real weapons, an improvement over Obama's blankets) without any action on any investigations by Ukraine.
     
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    How do you know the investigation is bogus?
    Why do you believe a political rival to a sitting President is immune to federal investigation of actions he took while in federal office?
     
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    That's a strange way to say "cross-examine", but sure.
     
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    Is that what you think the Repubs want to do? If you have a minute I'd like to tell you about a bridge I have for sale.
     
  19. Sandy Shanks

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    Source? Link? Don't bother. You won't find one. Maybe you will have better luck dealing with these issues.

    Republicans have to be gnashing their teeth over the abject stupidity of the Republican President.

    Trump's order to retreat in Syria betrayed a key ally who suffered 11,000 casualties in quelling the ISIS terrorist threat. Trump's retreat order facilitated the Turkish invasion of Syria and the attempt by the Turkish dictator, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, to annihilate the Kurds who he regards as terrorists.

    Trump enabled Edogan to kill hundreds of Kurds and causing thousands more to abandon their homes, becoming refugees.

    On a day when live, public House impeachment hearings began featuring two key witnesses against Trump, William B. Taylor Jr., acting ambassador to Ukraine, and his boss, George Kent, deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, provided devastating evidence of abuse of power, on a day when desperate Republicans are trying vainly to defend Trump from his own incriminating statements, guess who Trump invites to the White House.

    You got it, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

    It is an in your face gesture to Republicans from a Republican President.

    How smart is that?

    Republicans are in the midst of drafting a bipartisan sanctions bill targeting Turkey for its aggressive action against the Kurds, aggressive action caused by Trump's retreat. Some of the strongest Congressional critics have included some of Trump's closest congressional allies, including Senator Lindsey Graham, who has repeatedly warned Erdoğan about the repercussions of his actions and has drafted his own sweeping sanctions bill targeting the country.

    Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle called for Trump to rescind the White House invitation to Erdoğan entirely. The White House declined to do so.

    How smart is that?

    Pretty smart if Trump is acting like a Russian puppet whose sole purpose is to create havoc in the capital.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/13/politics/trump-erdogan-republican-senators/index.html helped with this report.
     
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    Facing Trump's obvious guilt, the White House is tearing itself apart. The messy skirmish could be on full display this week.

    The Post reports, "Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney has urged aides not to comply with the inquiry and blocked any cooperation with congressional Democrats. Top political aides at the Office of Management and Budget, which Mulvaney once led, have fallen in line with his defiant stance, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity to talk freely about the behind the scenes developments.

    "Mulvaney’s office blames White House counsel Pat Cipollone for not doing more to block other government officials from participating in the impeachment inquiry, as a number of State Department officials, diplomats, and an aide to Vice President Pence, have given sworn testimony to Congress.

    "Cipollone, meanwhile, has fumed that Mulvaney has only made matters worse with his Oct. 17 news conference, when he publicly acknowledged a quid pro quo, essentially confirming Democrats’ accusations in front of television cameras and reporters, and Cipollone did not want Mulvaney to hold the news conference."

    The Times writes, "Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, on Monday abruptly withdrew his effort to join a lawsuit over impeachment testimony after a sharp collision with his colleague, John R. Bolton, the former national security adviser.

    "Mulvaney’s retreat came hours after a lawyer for Mr. Bolton argued in court papers that the acting chief of staff should not be allowed to jump into the existing lawsuit as a plaintiff because his interests are significantly different. The legal schism underscored a broader rift between Mulvaney, who facilitated Trump’s effort to pressure Ukraine, and Mr. Bolton, who tried to resist it."

    Trump and his Republican defenders are feuding. Current and former state department officials will testify on camera this week, relaying their firsthand accounts claiming Trump withheld military aid to get Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. Trump's own chief of staff confirmed that fact. On Twitter Trump warned his party that they should not “be led into the fools trap of saying it was not perfect, but is not impeachable.” Trump insists the call was "perfect."

    Trump refuses to face reality. He incriminated himself as is proven in the transcript provided by the White House. The President cannot face that reality.
     

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