If Russia invades Ukraine... global war?

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  1. AARguy

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    What exactly is the definition of "NAZI" in 2021? The Germans that were called that never heard the term, it was strictly an overseas label. So considering that actual "NAZIS" couldn't define the term 80 years ago when it became famous... what exactly does it mean today?
     
  2. Distraff

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    I don't support training Nazis or ISIS obviously. I do support increasing the number of American troops to ensure an invasion doesn't happen.
     
  3. Bill Carson

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    In Ukraine it means nationalists who worship Stepan Bandera....a NAZI collaborator, Hitler lover and overall shithead. The AZOV Battalion of the Ukrainian Military is made up of these Banderites/Hitler types. So much so, they use German Nazi symbols on their flags and insignia.

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    How many do I need to post so you can figure this out?
     
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    Just as I said, hypocrisy. There shouldn't be any US troops in Ukraine, just as there shouldn't be any Russian troops in Ukraine. But at least the ****ing Russian troops aren't training Nazis in Ukraine, like US troops are.
     
  5. Distraff

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    Okay, then both the US and Ukraine should both agree to remove their troops. If Americans are training Nazis of course I want that stopped.
     
  6. Bill Carson

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    All Ukraine has to do to resolve the conflict in the Donbass is to abide by the Minsk Agreements....that they agreed to years ago....overseen by France and Germany. But they aren't because they figured out they could scam US taxpayers out of billions of dollars in foreign aide (using Russia as the boogie man)... that is going straight into oligarch's pockets. We are the dumbest country in the world when it comes to foreign aide....and foreign policy.
     
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    Russia is also in violation of that agreement. I believe both countries need to return to complying with that agreement.
     
  8. Bill Carson

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    Hold the F up just a second. Ukraine NEVER abided by the agreement. Russia was NOT PART of the agreement. The U.S. is in violation of the agreement by sending troops to Ukraine. Get your facts right, thanks.
     
  9. AARguy

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    Are you sure those pics weren't taken in Chicago? It looks a lot like Chicago...

    As Russia stacks up tens of thousands of troops ready to invade Ukraine, we send ONE BCT (52d Infantry Brigade Combat Team) that just deployed. That's tens of thousands of Russians versus about 3,300 American Soldiers... plus the few hundred their to train and support the JAVELIN anti-tank systems we sent awhile ago.

    What's really going on here? 3,300 American Soldiers to fight tens of thousands of Russians doesn't make sense. Unless, of course, Biden is pre-planning another embarrassing surrender as in Afghanistan. Or maybe he wants us to lose just a little bit so we will all forget Afghanistan, the border, inflation, crime, riots and all the rest and support him in a shooting war?
     
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    I'm quite sure the pics are from Kiev because I've been to Kiev many times and know some of the places those pictures were taken. One is on the main square and another is on the main street, for example.

    What Russia does inside its borders is none of your's or mine's business. I don't give a **** if Ukraine has an official branch of its military comprised of Nazis either.

    What I do care about is US troops being in a place they don't belong, which is in violation of the Minsk Agreements. I also care that US taxpayers have been getting hosed to the tune of billions of dollars going into Ukraine for the stated purpose of rebuilding infrastructure in the Donbass but not one red cent has been spent there. I also care that my tax dollars are being used to arm and train Nazis.

    You okay training Nazis on your dime??

    Americans have no ****ing clue what is going on in Ukraine.
     
  11. AARguy

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    So every Soldier in Ukraine is a NAZI? Really? Ok... you run with that... <chuckle>...
     
  12. Bill Carson

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    I didn't say every one was and you damn well know it. Can you pick out which Nazi pic above is on the main drag and has a McDonald's about 30' to the left of the photographer? Well, no, of course you can't.
     
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    The pic with the little kid holding a baseball bat and a "CUBS" hat gives it away.
     
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    Yeah, in your imaginary world of imaginary pictures. I suppose I need to figure out the ignore function.
     
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    Khreschatyk St., 19A, Kyiv, Ukraine, 02000

    Even google maps knows where the Nazis pose for pictures....right outside the Khreschatyk metro station beside McDonald's. Good luck with that.

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    Looks like a fascist boys club.... smallest "army" I ever saw. Looks like a bunch of kids hanging out at the bodega.
    This what REAL ARMY looks like:

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    Our response would be diplomatic and economic. I don't think Biden or the American public is willing to go to war with Russia over Ukraine.

    Biden sure as hell is no JFK.
     
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    Biden has sent a clear message to our enemies: "I won't do anything at all to protect Americans, American interests, or our allies abroad. Just ask the Taliban." Our enemies would be fools to pass up this opportunity. Our enemies have dreamed of this for years.

    That's why I find it interesting that Biden just sent the 52d Infantry BCT (Brigade Combat Team) to the Ukraine. Does he want to engage in a war with such a small force that we are guaranteed to lose, so that he can rally all Americans behind him to defeat the foe? It would be one way to make us all forget about the southern border, rampant crime, Afghanistan, inflation, etc and have us rally around to defeat the enemy.
     
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    Show where many Ukies would "welcome" a Russki invasion?....they don't welcome it in DPR and Crimea is questionable?
     
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    Yah...carsy boy..they ate in DPR....prove otherwise dude....but you can't or won't.

    One thing for sure....the asiatic vatnik better stock up on body bags....:)
     
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    That's Crimea from 2014....where it was bribed and military top brass were paid off to defect.

    Old article and doesnt apply....no mention of DPR or anywhere in East Ukraine, where population is now 60%+ support NATO.

    Nice try.
     
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    Hummmmm I think it is even more simple than either of the reasoning above.

    My go at a plausible theory (unless Saddam was a total loon):
    Iraq was being choked the get their oil to a shipping port (geography locational issues, politics and world domination, etc.). Kuwait was a logical solution to this problem. To add some conspiracy (if added it makes my theory kinda "espionage") to my theory, the CIA likely assured him the US would not act and when he went for the bait, he was whacked and good. :)
     
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    That doesn't have anything to do with how many of the common people are pro-Russia, which was a notable minority and possibly a majority in some of the southern and eastern regions around 2014 (especially after the attempt by the new govt to culturally oppress them solidified the divisions) and has not likely changed a lot since then.

    I never said there was an overall majority. I said 'many.'
     
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    That all changed....ive visited Kharkiv, Dnipto...many are pro Nato/EU...same in Odessa,Kherson...and most areas in the East...except DPR where its all Russki propaganda and torture chambers.:)
     

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