If there is a God, does he want us to get the vaccine?

The soul is not a fact .. any moron knows this .. why would you ask for something so moronic ? Why are you so embarrassed of your beliefs.. that you can't even state whether or not you believe in a soul ? regardless of whether you can prove it or not.

Speak mate - you were the one crying "Atheist" - desperate to avoid defending your position with Ad Hom Fallacy. Do you think a soul exists .. or do you not ?

 

If God is all powerful and he wants you to get the vaccine, then you will get the vaccine, and probably already did.

 

Jeebus
Agnostics deal in facts, so you want me to discuss your belief with you is that it?
How can I believe something I know nothing about and you cannot show actually exists?'
The only personal 'beliefs I discuss are typically limited to things like atheist and theist because we know for a fact both exist, I have no interest what so ever in your personal beliefs, you can belief what you want.

 

You don't have to believe anything .. you feeling "Pressure Mate" -- afraid to share ?

Does the zygote not have a soul mate .. is that why you desire so many be killed .. - come now .stop twirling around in some rant about Atheists and. share your deep dark feelings on the soul.

Focus now .. Zygote .. Soul .. or No Soul ?

 

you dont need me whatever you believe is true to you.
you cant tell me what it 'factually' is and you expect an analysis from me, you can whine and cry all you want.

 

You are the one offened by the Message of the Cross .. so offended that you have substituted the message of the Martin Luther Idol for the message of Jesus. Down the dark path you have wandered .. usurping the position of the Logos - putting the words of Idol Martin into the Mouth of the Most High .. claiming this as "The Truth - The Way - The Light"

Jesus didn't preach no free pass through judgement on the basis of some meaningless "Faith" trope. Faith in what mate .. get baptized .. get the free pass .. that because our Lord and Savior died on a cross .. gives you automatic free pass . ?

Jesus preached the reverse of what you claim ..and this you find offensive - desperate to demonize the messenger - because you can't handle the message - that you have supplanted the words of Jesus with man made dogma from Idol Martin Luther. ...

 

The question is not about what I believe .. I already told you that but about what you believe. Do you think the Soul is a Fact ? I never claimed it was ... so why are you asking for someone to tell you factually what a soul is .. some circular mind meld in desperate attempt to avoid the question .. which is if you think the Zygtoe has a soul .. and is thus a person .. as you calm .. professing your love for the "mighty zygote" yet desiring that so many of these innocent creatures die..

 

You can call His words meaningless, or 'a trope', or whatever else you want.

You invented the phrase "free pass through judgment" and then you argue against tour own invention it as if someone else had said it. Its how you insert words in other peoples mouths. Such misrepresentation of other peoples views is very dishonest. Is that how your god wants you to behave?

This offends the living crap out of you, and your posts are proof of it: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

Faith leads to good deeds, not the other way round. You can't earn your salvation.

 

"His Words" .. you mean "Your Words" .. you have yet to define what you mean by faith - with anything other than meaningless trope .. Then .. on this basis of this "Faith" that you refuse to quantify .. alot - a little .. who knows what you mean -- you claim Jesus has said you get a free pass through Judgement .. as per the teachings of Idol Martin Luther.

Now you say that I invented the "Free Pass ideology" in denial of your own dogma.. claiming you were misrepresented. I did not invent this dogma .. was your Idol Martin Luther. "Sola Fide" Salvation by Faith Alone .. no works required. Is this not what you believe ?? Tell me it is not so .. that you have changed your tune and no longer worship at the alter of Martin Luther.

Then laughably - in a fit of hypocrisy .. Cite dogma from Martin Luther .. "you can't earn Salvation" .. after claiming not to adhere to Martin's "Free Pass" Ideology .. the ideology you just expressed.. "no works required" - nothing you need do to earn salvation.. no need to go through Judgement ... just Have Faith ..

Your all mixed up mate -- don't even recognize your own belief - the free pass ideology you been preaching . and continue to preach "You can't earn Salvation" .. sup with that ?

 

See, you do this with practically every post you make, which is why I (and others) find you incredibly dishonest.

Stop misrepresenting what other people say. As long as you keep doing that, there is nothing to discuss.

 

-- you claim Jesus has said you get a free pass through Judgement .. as per the teachings of Idol Martin Luther.

This is exactly what you have claimed .. doing so in previous post after denying that you claim this. Can you not remember what you say from one post to the next.

These are your words (below) - Martin Luthers "Free Pass" ideology"

Lets get the record straight once and for all so you can't turn around and cry foul when reminded of your own ideology.

Does someone who is "Saved" have to go through Judgement to get into Heaven or Not ?

 

Dear Mr/Ms Twister,

If those are my words, then why don't you quote me posting them.

You can't do that, because I never said those words. You wrote them, and then claimed I said them. You do that with practically every post.

Have a nice day Mr/Ms Twister.

 

you claim Jesus has said you get a free pass through Judgement .. as per the teachings of Idol Martin Luther.

You have been preaching Martin Luther's "Faith Alone" - claiming this doctrine is the message from the Cross - stating just a few posts ago "You can't earn your salvation" -

Do you deny saying these things ? .. Do you now claim that "you can't earn Salvation" is not the Message from the Cross ?

Now is your chance to get the record Straight -- Time to make up your mind -

Which is it .. is " Faith Alone - You Can't Earn Salvation" - the message from the Cross .. or is it not ?

 

Dear Twister,

Just quote the post where I said "Jesus has said you get a free pass through Judgement .. as per the teachings of Idol Martin Luther."

I never said it, so STOP claiming I did.

Some people.

There should be a rule against this kind of trolling, but since there isn't all I can do is ask you to go troll someone else.

 

I just did .. You said 1) "You can't Earn Salvation" and previousy that this faith alone doctrine you have been preaching of which 1 is a variation is the 2) "Message from the Cross" -

Do you deny saying the above. Do you now claim you can't Earn Salvation is not the message from the Cross. ?

Which is it ... ?

 

I asked you to quote the words which you have repeatedly claimed are my words :

"Jesus has said you get a free pass through Judgement .. as per the teachings of Idol Martin Luther."

You can't quote them because they are YOUR WORDS.

You have been exposed......again. You trying to modify the claim is not helping.

 

You did not use the word Jesus .. you used the words "Message from the Cross" What part of saying "Message from the Cross" is the same as saying "Jesus Said" .. are you having trouble understanding ?

What.mind twisting desperation in an attempt to deny your own words ..are you that ashamed of your belief that you have to play such games.?

Come out of the corner mate .. State your position .. Is "You can't Earn Salvation/" the "Message from the Cross" - or is it Not.

 

Still can't quote the words you repeatedly attributed to me. Everyone can read what I said, and its not what you claim I said

Enough is enough!!



Say hi to the others when hit the bottom of my ignore list.

 

When he said that some people are "offended by the message of the cross", he meant that some people are offended by the idea of accountability to God in general. He made no reference to any particular denominational set of beliefs, setting up one or the other as right or wrong. It was a generic statement.

 

Glad you made it thru the fever.

 

Ashamed of your beliefs .. you run away spewing falsehood.

Saying "Message from the Cross" you are saying "Message from Jesus" .. even though you did not use the word Jesus. The exact words you used were "Message from the Cross" - Do you deny saying this or not ?

 

Bull Twaddle .. He was claiming "Faith Alone" was the message from the cross .. and has repeatedly affirmed this .. as have you.

The message he was claiming was offensive -- was the message counter to "Faith Alone" .

What you are claiming is the reverse .. as usual you have things backwards. being offended by accountability to God .. is exactly what the "Faith Alone" adherent is .. not the reverse as you are claiming. and it was not a generic statement .. was a response to me talking about the Faith alone dogma he was preaching .. claiming to be the "message from the Cross" Same as you do ..

 

Correct. Thank you.

He makes a hobby out of twisting everything people say. In this case it went from a general remark about people being offended by the "message of the cross" (the Gospel) to "message from the cross" along with all kinds added of assumptions + commentary about Martin Luther and other nonsense to twist everything upside down. I won't waste my time again.

In the end of the day his behavior proved that some people are indeed offended by the message of the cross.

 

Yes, I do want you guys to get vaccinated. Please comply with governmental authorities as long as it doesn’t contravene my laws. Render unto Caesar that which is Ceaser’s.

 

I can't follow your reasoning. This is what he said: "There is something in the fallen human nature to be offended by the message of the cross. My brother is the same way. The topic is forbidden with him." He said nothing about faith alone, or works alone, or faith and works together. He said what he said, and nothing more or less than that. At least not in that post. Seeing that you are quite upset by the matter of faith or works or both in tandem as the course to salvation....to what do you hold as the correct way, if any?