'if they were black'

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    So rioting, arson, and violence are OK if they have "an ideological drive, a message they believed in?"

    This is becoming a familiar refrain.
     
  2. Lil Mike

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    That's weird, you're posting a response without a corresponding narrative. It's like responding "educate yourself."
     
  3. The Rhetoric of Life

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    The real question is why.

    I think what black people had to put up with in America and how America treats them might have something to do with that.
    • slavery
    • Jim Crow laws
    • having to feel like an outsider in your own country
    The way how America mistreated them all add fuel to the fire imo of what race has what percentage of violent crime, plus the social economical repercussions of that attitude and policy towards black people.

    Africans have a different, more positive experience of America than African Americans, because Africans didn't experience the same things as African Americans did growing up.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Get used to it... this is your new reality
     
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    Nothing following this part of your post matters, as that's not what happened Wednesday.
     
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    Biden's all like 'if they were black it'll have been different'
    Maybe because of BLM in DC in 2020 was different.

    I still wonder why no one's asked
    'If they were Muslim'.

    If a bunch of Muslims stormed Congress with weapons and occupied it and left pipe bombs everywhere and the police let them in, no doubt about it, act of terrorism, heads will roll.

    When white people do it waving an American flag?...

    It might be because of BLM in 2020 that warranted that comparison, but just think, what if they were Muslims who did that? How would America have felt about a bunch of Muslims doing what these Trump supporters did?
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To answer fory first comment, I have never met a 250 year old slave.
    Blacks think they are oppressed because the democrats keep them in poverty. Plenty of ultra successful blacks will echo my comments.
    I am old enough to remember Lyndon Johnson's "war on poverty. Blacks were paid more for each baby they had and even more if the father was not living in the house.
    There has never been a better time in history to be a black person that has the desire to be great.
    I tire of the woe is me crap.
     
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    You ever been a black person?

    You ever looked at white people and wondered why they were looking at you, wondering what they might be saying about you?

    Did your parents ever have to teach you how to act when getting pulled over by a cop?


    ... I thought not.


    When you're in your own country, and get treated like you don't belong, that's when you get statistics of who commits the most what in America.
     
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    True.
    Minorities are not just allowed to loot, riot and burn cities, they are cheered on when they do it; White people are not.
    Different expectations, perhaps.
     
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    spoken like someone who doesn't know what it's like to be an outsider.

    Let's try this again.

    You ever wondered why a white person was looking at you and what they might be saying to another white person they're with while looking at you minding your own business? They could make eye contact with you, carry on their conversation with a friend, and even have that sick smile/laugh like they're being racist about you to their friend.
    It's enough to make anyone angry and want to lash out.

    Ever felt like an outsider?
    Then to add insult to injury...
    Ever felt like an outsider, in your own country?

    Even if they're being racist or not, you're still looked at, you're still wondering
    'are they being racist?'

    Do you get that that happens, everyday, to black people.
     
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    Americans DO know the difference.

    Nobody wants rioters to go free - except the President and REPUBLICANS who aided and praised the trashing of the American seats of power, who perpetuate LIES about our most fundamental tenets, and who threaten the LIVES of our elected leaders.

    Trump declared his LOVE for those who committed the assault on our Congress while it was in session.

    Hawley, Cruz and half of Reublicans thought so little of that that they continued the assault on our democracy on the SAME DAY!!!

    That day will go down in infamy. Every last participant - from the instigators in government to the violent criminals carrying out the assault need to be in PRISON.
     
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    Not taking sides here - but why can't the supporters of this woman do exactly that?
     
  13. Lil Mike

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    Not being American you might not be aware of this, but the US had an entire summer of violent rioting and arson, leaving scores injured and dead with about 2 billion dollars in damage. And it was tolerated and encouraged.

    So to answer your question, if it had been a bunch of Muslims storming the capital, as a protected class, it's highly likely that the Capitol Police would have taken a knee rather than fire on unarmed rioters.
     
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    Yeah I'm getting that a lot.
     
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    I'm not sure I could name a celebrity who would take that kind of risk. That was never an issue for George Floyd. He's practically been deified at this point.
     
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    If they were Black
    enforcement authorities would
    just observe for a few days.
    Hoping it would burn ;) itself out


    Tell me it ain't so.
    Ferguson, Missouri
    Minneapolis
    Portland
    all deserved martial law and military intervention
    to restore order from a state of riot.


    Moi :oldman:




    STOP The :flagcanada:ization Of
    :flagus:
     
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    No, you don't get it. But seriously, do you need to pretend?

    As a Trumpinista we KNOW you don't get it. We DOUBT you are capable of "getting it."

    But, not to worry. A few dozen of you will end up in a federal prison and there's always room for more.

    Perhaps they will get that.
     
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    Your opinion, above, does not negate the facts stated in my post.

    In making excuses for the actions of colored people in the US, you do as much to keep them down as the slaveholder and the Klansman.
     
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    Racism and bigotry of any kind is not a "white" thing. It's a "people" thing. Prior to the Great Society, when blacks hadn't been lured back to the modern equivalent of plantations, they had less illegitimate births than any other group in America. The bottom line is that people who want to make something of themselves and make a better life for their children tend to only have children when they are married AND can afford to care for them.
    I don't get fussed over being told I'm RAY-SUS. That childish ploy is wasted on me. People who have self-respect and integrity can make a life in this nation. It isn't the fault of whites that millions of black Americans were seduced into believing they were OWED a living without any effort. THAT is an emotional burden that has crippled blacks in inner cities for decades. NO amount of money is going to improve the lot of angry, disaffected children. Billions have been spent on this already. As a minority, they are dead last in the ability to acquire the skills necessary to prosper. THAT was created by a choice between Democrats and the black community. They made that bed. My granddad worked side by side with black sharecroppers in the 30s and early 40s. They went to the same churches and ate at each other's tables. I owe them nothing except to reciprocate the respect they afford me.
     
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    In some ways, I think the injury to them is even worse than what the Klan and slaveholders did. The Klan and the plantation owners took their labor and attempted to rob them of dignity but the effect was to create stronger emotional bonds and a sense of pride about who they were. The Democrats today have sold their descendants back to the plantation and keep them there on purpose. It's disgusting and it is corrosive, even toxic to our nation.
     
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    Like I said:
    Different expectations.
    if you expect white people to act like adults and chide them when they do not, you foster adult behavior; if you expect colored people to act like savages and make excuses for them when they do so, you foster savage behavior.
     
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    You said "Floyd was one person. The rioting he inspired that went on for months....."
    Hence I am correct that you accused a black man who got tortured to death by a bunch of white thugs with badges for instigating riots post mortem. It's them white thugs with badges who inspired the riots, champ. You can't go... lets smile to the camera while we slowly torture this black man to death, and wash our bloody soaked hands in innocence when the people revolt against us.

    But you went there. And I'm calling you out over this utter nonsense.
     
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    Minorities, not just black people, do not live in the same world white people live in. It's impossible to comprehend the level of hatred some people, solely for the color of their skin, experience on a regular basis. Truly understanding this means recognizing that it's not all self-inflicted.
     
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    Is your idea of 'hate' something that white people feel, or anybody can feel for any
    other race or even individual? When it comes to racism, nothing beats India - by their
    own admission. These Indians do better in America than they do in their native country.
     
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    I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Can you clarify this please?
     

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