If you are liberal what kind of handgun would or do you own?

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  1. QLB

    QLB Well-Known Member

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    I'm often curious about how the liberal mind works (or doesn't work) The question is mainly toward liberals as to what kind of handgun would they own if cost were no factor. They also must keep within the local and state laws. As for the rest of us, I'd like to know what kind of weapon that you'd recommend to a liberal as a first firearm/self defense weapon. Please, no multiple choices here, you can only choose one model and caliber. I have a particular choice in mind.
     
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    I'd recommend the Chiappa Rhino. I always recomend a revolver for a defense gun for the reliability, .357mag for the versatility. The Rhino is one o' them newfangled guns that fires from the 6-oclock cylinder instead of the 12. This substantially reduces (or redirects) the recoil and makes for a very smooth firing weapon. It also has a very high 'coolness' factor because of its unique look.

    Plus its made in Europe, so maybe the progs wont get triggered by it as much.

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    S&W Shield.
    Good ergonomics.
     
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    A buddy of mine has one of these - the recoil stroke is very different than a normal revolver.
     
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    Yup. Its straight back into your shoulder if you're positioned correctly. It doesnt feel right... until you fire.

    The only drawback is the angle of the grip is different from standard pistols being designed for a weapon with no upward recoil. It takes some getting used to.
     
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    That's an interesting recommendations. Here's my problem with the Rhino. It's atypical, hard to find and expensive. In addition, there have been problems with quality control and getting the thing fixed along with quality speed loaders could be a problem. A Ruger GP 100 will last a century, not require much and be at a much better price point.
     
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    I always recommend SW revolvers. there is a reason why the vast majority of competitive shooters who use wheelguns-be it IPSC, Steel, IDPA or the late great game called PPC, use Smiths. 30 years ago I bought a 686 and a second hand Davis Model 19 PPC revolver and achieved the coveted 60X PPC score. I tried shooting Colts, Rugers and even the very accurate (when it stayed in time) Dan Wesson revolvers and nothing came close to the smiths in terms of the lock work.
     
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    Smith suffered quality control issues for a number of years especially when owned by Thompson. Ruger has an edge up on reliability. Then is Korth. IMHO I've had the rare opportunity of shooting a Manurhin M73 which is hands on better then the legendary Pythons. The French have lost a huge opportunity in selling them here.
     
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    I have bought smiths in 1984-a couple years ago and never had any issues though I heard that claim many a time. Korth's are nice but way way overpriced for what you get. Mas Ayoob noted to me (and others) that the top Germans who shoot revolvers mainly shoot Smiths. Manurhin made lots of the Walther PPs sold by Interterms. Some were marked "Under license of Karl Walther" some were marked "Walther" and some were marked Manurhin

    Yes the the French made revolvers are extremely well made. what is funny is that I cannot think of a French firearm that is used by anyone in serious competition considering France is one of the big economic powers in Europe. British made Air rifles do really well in "field target" and the Accuracy international rifles are legends in sniping and long range rifle shooting. British Side by Side shotguns are considered the ultimate firearm for bird shooting by many. German Air rifles, small bore rifles, air pistols, rapid fire pistols, and target shotguns win Olympic medals by the boatloads. Italy has Perazzi (the Perazzi is what I won a national junior skeet title with) Beretta (Vince Hancock won back to back Olympic gold medals with the Beretta DT 10/DT 11) and Tangfolio (their pistol was used by Eric Graufel to win dozens of world and international IPSC titles). The Czech republic's CZ pistols dominate several action pistol games internationally and USA (I shoot CZ custom now in steel competitions). Spain is not as strong as it once was but Kemen competition shotguns were world class and their hunting shotguns are among the best. Russian target rifles and pistols have been used to win scores of world championships. Austria has Glock and Steyr. Finland has VALMET and TIKKA

    France is clearly underdeveloped when it comes to the production and design of civilian sporting firearms
     
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    Probably a 38 revolver which was good enough for the police until fairly recently

    Simple,reliable, easy to handle
     
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    not a bad suggestion. safer for someone who isn't willing to spend say an hour or two a week really learning how to use a handgun. and its not as dependent on a strong grip or properly calibrated ammunition to work (shooting light rounds in some autos is going to create a failure to feed the next round).

    on the other hand

    I am well familiar with police issues concerning firearms. Most police recruits aren't people with much experience in firearms-especially in big city departments where "diversity" has replaced "veterans preferences" in hiring. most police aren't going to spend hours on the range shooting on their off duty hours. so your average cop isn't going to be any more gun skilled than your average CCW owner. and I know that when departments shifted from double action revolvers in 38/357 to the semi auto 9mm pistols-especially those with the trigger pulls like the GLOCK, the qualification rates went way up -especially for women and men who had no background in shooting skills before joining the PD. lots of women have issues cranking through the 12-14 pound double action trigger of a revolver or even on a DA/SA auto like the 1980s popular guns like the Beretta 92/SIG 226 and the SW 5906. I also will tell you that the grip angles of the GLOCK or the SW MP are more conducive to accurate shooting than the revolvers.
     
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    You know i think most people are ignoring the premise of this thread... which sort of assumes that the person getting the gun doesn't know much about guns and doesn't intend to learn much about guns or to practice with a gun very much

    To illustrate the situation I am a person who likes good coffee I have an espresso machine and make a cappuccino for myself every morning with a good quality grinder and fresh roasted beans. On the other hand I recognize that for most people that is just way far overkill. I personally am not interested in using a Mr. coffee style machine but there is a reason why these machines sell so well

    And there is a reason that cheap guns also sell well. And I suspect that most cheap gun owners don't spend a lot of time at the gun range Nor do they read gun magazines Or hang around and gun shops Face it, the Mr. Coffee solution of guns is about as much gun as a lot of people want
     
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    I once had a 50's S&W 38/45, acquired used, very used, very scuffed. It had the best, slickest double action trigger I have ever used. It was an amazing pointing gun for me. Fastest double action I have personally fired. ... A anti-gun liberal now has it and can no longer disparage gun owners without including himself.
    I trained him and his wife and with modern ammo not bad for home defense. Might work for them if she doesn't shoot him first...Lol.
     
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    Ya, I had to do a bit of sanding/rebluing on the back edges of the cylinder as they scraped on the frame and caused some resistance while cycling.

    The speed loaders were a cinch- really nice billet aluminum, holds the shells tightly so they dont rattle, had no problem finding online.

    And its definitely expensive. But totally worth it. Im not a good enough shot to speak on its accuracy, but im just as accurate with the rhino as any other pistol ive shot (except for my tech-9, which I am oddly more accurate with than any of the much higher quality pistols that i've shot...).
     
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    S&W .38 cal revolver.

    Simple to load, simple to shoot, simple to unload, and reliable. The small models are easy to conceal too.
     
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    Somewhat of an agrarian centrist with leanings towards classical Nordic social democracy here, so would probably fall into the "liberal" definition by anglos. Or at the very least a "leftist" by US standards.

    Don't have any handguns, and don't plan to get any soon either.

    But if I did, I would want a Kongsberg Colt, produced during the occupation. A bit of a World War 2 nerd, so that would be a neat thing to have. Would probably buy a deactivated one, if I could get one dirt cheap.

    And screw that only one model and caliber rule, there's other good options too;
    Maybe a Norwegian marked Nagant revolver, for the historical value.
    Or a Browning hi-power produced during the occupation, for the same reasons as the Kongsberg Colt.
    If the hunting laws changed, and money and ammunition were no issue, maybe a Brno FK 7.5, for hunting. Also, pretty cool from a technology standpoint.
    If suddenly starting up handgun sports shooting, maybe a CZ-75, because Czechs are awesome.
    No idea on self defense though, but it's not an issue here anyway. If it somehow were an issue, and legal, maybe a Makarov, a PM or a PPK, since they're small.
     
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    For the simplicity, a .357/.38 revolver. I don't have any revolvers, but my SIL's 642 is nice. It has the laser grip, is light weight, and has functioned flawlessly. I like the looks of the Ruger SP101 for a carry gun also as it will also shoot .357.

    If you live in an area where you can go higher capacity, a 9mm should work well. The 9 is an effective round with manageable recoil and lots of reliable choices. Ammo prices will promote practice as well. Glock is a good place to start. Their dependability is beyond question. I carry a Kahr CW9 and sometimes a G26, G19, or a Ruger LCP(.380) for deep concealment. All of these operate basically the same, so I don't have to learn how to operate each gun and can concentrate on shooting well.

    Both of these choices can be found relatively cheap also.

    After rereading the criteria for the post, I'd go with a Glock G19. The gun would most likely be for home use. It has capacity(if allowed), dependability, and the size is not too big, but big enough to get a good grip and limit recoil. These are all the same reasons police flocked to Glock when they started switching to autos.
     
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    Chapuis would be a name you're probably familiar with. For doubles, especially rifles, they give you the same quality as the British makers but at a far less price, but this is rather small niche market. The French firearms industry has always been military based and as such is "socialist" based. With the closing of St. Etienne and its absorption into GIAT, I don't see much happening in France. For the French to hopelessly ignore the civilian hunting market as well as the US doesn't make sense until you look at the politics.
    As far as revolver triggers go, there's probably nothing better out of the box than the Ruger LCR package for snubs. S&W can't come close. The new Colt Cobra is also supposed to be quite good.
     
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    THAT is a very common sense response. It takes care of a lot of liberal angst in the process. It's not scary looking, it's not semi-auto and it's not high capacity. The choice is also very practical. Solid, reliable, easy to maintain, easy manual of arms and relatively safe with a good ammo supply.
     
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    How about something unpretentious?

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    SP101 is what I carried before i got my rhino. Aftermarket grip is a must on the SP101 imo, but with that, its an excellent concealed.

    If I carried an auto, it would be a glock. Almost as reliable as a revolver (i saw a glock jam once... ever).

    There are 'capped' mags available for autos for folks in mag cap areas, and any gunsmith should be able to cap a mag in accordance with local laws if you cant find one.
     
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    LOL Man all you liberals responding to this thread seem suspiciously like anti-liberals :) :)
     
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    I'm part of "for the rest of us".
     
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    Naw I think you are a closet liberal :roflol::roflol::roflol::machinegun::machinegun::machinegun: I like being silly once in a while!
     
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    If by "fairly recently" you mean 30+ years ago, sure.
     

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