if you believe health care is a civil right you should then......

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  1. CJG

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    Where did I say I'd let children burn?
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and in that same document I have the right to own a gun does that then mean the government is obligated to provide me with that gun?
     
  3. Vegas giants

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    You refuse to answer questions directly unless pushed because they will make you look bad. Should we let those children burn or should someone go save them for free?
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    show me in the constitution where you have the right to fire or police protection? you wont find it
    but I will tell you what you will find the right to own a gun does that mean the government is obligated to provide me with that gun?
     
  5. Vegas giants

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    Don't be evasive. Are you saying we should do away with government paid fire and police protection because that is not in the constitution?
     
  6. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no what I am saying you don't have the right for it. it is a service provided by your local government it isn't a right so if you are denied fire or police protection no one is violating any right of yours
    but I would like for you to answer my question. if you feel health care is a right and because it is a right the government should be obligated to provided it even if you don't have the meens to pay. then shouldn't that also apply to a stated right to own a gun if I'm not capable of providing my self one the government needs to provide one for me?
     
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    No because such a law would not pass the strict scrutiny standard as there is no compelling interest in the state providing you with a gun
     
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    yes there is. the means for self protection. protection of ones property, family and country if required
     
  9. Vegas giants

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    Show me where that has passed the strict scrutiny standard in defense of a law mandating the government purchase guns for poor people
     
  10. CJG

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    I'm not being evasive. You simply fail to see what I'm saying. I just said I could see an argument for either being directly billed or having homeowners insurance pay. Fire department shows up. Puts out the fire and sends a bill. No children are burned. Same with having a heart attack going to er getting a bill and paying it off a little at a time.
     
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    Look at my post. What happens to the family that does not pay? You are being evasive
     
  12. CJG

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    No. Youre being dense. What if the home owner doesn't pay? Well I reckon since the fire is already out cause they provided the service before requiring payment that the debt would go to a collection agent and would eventually be collected via garnishments.
     
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    So basically the same system we have now for emergency rooms. This is hilarious. Name a country that operates this way? That was a direct question by the way
     
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    I neither know nor care how other countries do it.
     
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    Well You should. Because no one does it that way because it would never work. Got any theories for a unicorn transportation system? LOL
     
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    To my knowledge all people, living in the US, have had the right to purchase HC Insurance. What is being presented are government programs to insure the heath of all people in the US, regardless lifestyles or where they are from, which is absolutely impossible.....
     
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    Uh.....they do it in most civilized countries already. LOL
     
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    That's a load of crap...... You know what? you walk into a hospital they have to treat you if you have insurance or not.

    And Cuba has terrible healthcare....... Just because it's free and they have a lot of doctors doesn't mean the healthcare is better - FREE IS NOT BETTER.... Hell in Cuba they're miles away from the same medical technology we have in the states.

    Hell, Canada has free healthcare too, but you know what? you break your arm you're waiting hours if not days to get it fixed.

    No, healthcare isn't a right, healthcare is a need and a service which is provided in the United States.

    I find it funny how progressives act like if someone doesn't have health insurance they will die if they go to the hospital with a serious injury -- no they will treat you because they have to.
     
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    OH and BTW, Obamacare is a scam.... If you have Obamacare they send to to a FREE CLINIC which was FREE before Obamacare.... The only benefit of having Obamacare is that medications are either free or cheap.

    It's not like if you have Obamacare you can just go to a qualified respected family doctor..... No they send you to a clinic because none of the respected family practices will take that Obamacare junk because they don't get compensated for their services.
     
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    Actually you are wrong. Cuba and especially Canada beat us in several healthcare outcomes. But I forgot....you are a world renown scientist. Lol
     
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    You are misinformed.
    "Despite spending a fraction of what the United States spends on healthcare (the World Bank reports Cuba spends $431 per head per year compared with $8,553 in the US) Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate than the US and a similar life expectancy."
    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-35073966
     
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    Yeah, that's why the PM of Canada flew to the US for a medical procedure straight from Canada right? and that's why when people have serious medical issues and have money they fly to the United States for treatment right?

    Ever notice that?

    If we're so terrible then why do people come here for medical treatment?

    Yeah I forgot, this is just another socialist talking point that that sometimes works on the younger uneducated - a socialist selling point to the empty minded.
     
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    This whole "Cuba has great medial care" crap is nothing more than propaganda. Indeed Cuba has socialized healthcare (because they're a socialist nation) but the myth started with socialist sympathizers back in the 60's who adored Ernesto "Che Guevara" Lynch, who was a medical doctor who was trained and educated in the United States and who helped Castro destroy Cuba and create the (*)(*)(*)(*)hole that it is now...... So the legend gets passed down that Cuba has great heathcare all because Che spent time in Cuba and promoted a healthcare system so in the socialist progressive circles Cuba must have great healthcare....

    Truth is Cuba hardly even has the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing internet let alone modern medical equipment and the equipment they do have is Soviet era equipment....

    Indeed, they have a lot of doctors but they don't know jack (*)(*)(*)(*)...

    Please give me examples of successful groundbreaking procedures that saved numerous lives that have come out of Cuba? and all the patients that went to Cuba for treatment from fellow "comrade nations"

    I'll be waiting..
     
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    I am happy to answer this question. We have the best healthcare system in the world.....if you are rich and powerful. If you are working class poor cuba has a much better healthcare system

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    Cuba has a lower infant mortality rating just to pick one than we do. That means less dead babies. Do you think this is important?
     
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    You know why that is? because the United States has 300,000,000 people and Cuba has perhaps 15,000,000 so of course Cuba is going to have a lower infant mortality rate.

    flip a coin 300 million times then flip it 15 million times and you're going to come up with drastically different percentages for heads vs tails.

    No one knows what Cuba spends, nor does it matter in a socialist country.... Do you know when Cuba was couped that had a really big problem with accounting because these socialist morons couldn't put a monetary value on anything?

    Also data from Cuba can be taken with a grain of salt. Do your really think any socialist/communist government is honest? it's not exactly like the have FOIA in communist countries...
     

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