If you could cancel a part of the constitution what article/amendment would it be?

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Which part of the constitution would you cancel

  1. None

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  2. Article 1

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  3. Article 2

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  4. Article 3

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  5. Article 4

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  6. Article 5

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  7. Article 6

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  8. Article 7

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  9. 1st Amendment

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  10. 2nd amendment

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  11. 3rd amendment

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  12. 4th amendment

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  13. 5th amendment

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  14. 6th amendment

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  15. 7th amendment

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  16. 8th amendment

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  17. 9th amendment

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  18. 10th amendment

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  19. One of the amendments 11th - 27th

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  20. Cancel all of it and start over

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  1. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nah, this is all about political power, not race.
     
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    Our US-Constitution is one of the finest documents ever crafted in the history of the world, one that we for the most part can be very proud of.

    But our founders themselves knew that the document was not infallible, that it would require changes.

    How do we know this? Well, the ink on the original documents was barely dried and already 10 amendments had been added to the Constitution. That right there is proof that the US-Constitution is no holy writ, that it can indeed be changed, and the founders knew this all too well.

    After we beat Germany into the ground in 1945, occupied their land until 1949 (and beyond) and forced them to adopt a constitution for a Republic based on democratic principles, they crafted for themselves (with some help from us) a pretty nifty Constitution of their own. The German word for Constitution is "Grundgesetz".

    The very first article in the German constitution (after the short preamble) deals with human dignity and human rights and from this article flows all other articles. I will first write it in the original German and then translate it:

    Artikel 1:
    (1) Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar. Sie zu achten und zu schützen ist Verpflichtung aller staatlichen Gewalt.

    (2) Das Deutsche Volk bekennt sich darum zu unverletzlichen und unveräußerlichen Menschenrechten als Grundlage jeder menschlichen Gemeinschaft, des Friedens und der Gerechtigkeit in der Welt.

    (3) Die nachfolgenden Grundrechte binden Gesetzgebung, vollziehende Gewalt und Rechtsprechung als unmittelbar geltendes Recht.

    Article I (in ENGLISH)

    (1) Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority.

    (2) The German people therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world.

    (3) The following basic rights shall bind the legislature, the executive and the judiciary as directly applicable law.

    Their translation into English is a bit dry and lacks a deeper meaning that is obviously there for those of us who are fluent in German. The German verb "an-tasten" means to touch, to make physical contact with something. For instance, the computer keyboard that we touch is called a "Tastatur"

    "unantastbar" means something that should be physically untouchable. Words have meaning and the depth of words shows how seriously we take the condition of humankind and our wonderful planet, also how we approach the Creator, our G-d.

    Our US-Constitution would be well served to start with something this direct.

    Also, I would not ditch the 2A, but I would change it.

    Also, I would write an entire section about the complete A-Zs of conducting elections across the board in all states, DC and the territories so that the 10A cannot be misused in order to make holding elections or voting more difficult.
     
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  3. Pollycy

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    You know what's really sad, Te?

    A Black person works skillfully, uses his or her MIND, and ENERGY, and, refuses to become a bitter, welfare-dependent NOTHING down on the radical Democrat 'plantation' -- and so, to those in your political faction, that person is just a "token"... right?

    Beyond merely "sad", Te -- that kind of thinking is as insulting as it is pathetic!

    Successful, accomplished, intelligent Black people don't HAVE to be Republicans OR Democrats, Te, but quite often they have a sensibly CONSERVATIVE personal philosophy -- which you never find among 'woke' hyperliberal radicals....
     
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    The 14th. I hate it that we're one of the only advanced economies in the world, that practices the jus solis. That is, anybody born here even if born of illegal aliens or of foreigners engaging in obstetric tourism for the sake of earning US citizenship for their offspring "just in case," are considered to be full-blown US citizens. It doesn't happen in Germany, in Italy, in France, in the UK, etc. Silly USA gets to be the country that allows foreigners to take advantage of our generosity like this.

    For me, a US citizen at birth must be born of at least one parent who is a US citizen, or at least a lawful permanent resident. Period, full stop. Children of illegal aliens who are trying to get the anchor baby perks, should be considered nationals of the parents' country of origin. The phenomenon of obstetric tourism is even more outrageous (don't read me wrong, illegal immigration is outrageous enough, but this one seems even more cynical) as it betrays a deliberate and knowing attempt to take advantage of our citizenship laws. At least the illegal aliens are here trying to feed their families for the most part (not that I approve of their presence here) but these obstetric tourism ladies are often upper middle class and upper class people from South America, China, etc., who want to earn US citizenship for their children so that one day that child will have an easier time coming to the US to study or to stay and work here. I see no reason whatsoever for such children to be granted US citizenship as their families have no ties with the US whatsoever.
     
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    Pollycy, are you under the impression that we are a welfare state? Certainly you haven't lived in Europe (like I did) to understand the difference. Our welfare provisions are tiny as compared to what the main European countries do.

    In my decades of work as a physician, I've noticed that the majority of people on disability of various causes, are legitimately disabled and not just lazy as the stereotype goes. Sure, there are fakers and malingerers out there, but one, they are not as numerous as the legitimate ones, and two, they get caught fairly often.

    For example, we doctors are generally not willing to endorse someone's alleged back pain as a disability, without seeing objective imaging that supports anatomic damage to the spine. Another example, psychiatric disability seekers who are malingerers will have to face batteries of tests that relatively easily spot the inconsistencies that betray the malingering, such as fake/claimed PTSD. Real PTSD does exist among our veterans and they do deserve our help, but fake PTSD can be easily diagnosed and the VA has developed sensitive instruments to tell the difference.

    I think that charities do not fulfill the full needs of disabled and/or poor Americans. I think a minimum of a safety net is the humane thing to do. I think that one gauges how civilized a society is, by looking at how that society treats its weakest members. I have no problem with the few welfare provisions we have, as long as the person benefitting from them is legitimate in the person's claims.

    Sure, fakers and malingerers should actually be prosecuted if their claims can be proven false, because I consider it a form of fraud. But the really infirm and really disabled among us (and of course they do exist) do deserve our assistance.
     
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  6. Pollycy

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    I wish I could do more than just "like" your post (above), because you have hit the direct epicenter of a HUGE problem in the United States -- and it has been a huge problem for decades -- "ANCHOR BABIES"!

    "Mamacita" (swollen with pregnancy) and "Papacito" come wandering in past the border. Suddenly, she starts having abdominal spasms, and before you know it, another "ANCHOR BABY" has automatically become a U. S. citizen, usually complete with enough dependent adults and siblings to keep a social worker busy for quite a while getting all the welfare handouts queued-up for these new 'recipients'.

    Democrats LOVE it! Anchor babies are a large part of their future!
     
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    I wasn't trying to compare our 'welfare' situation with that of any other country's approach to accommodating those who don't, can't, or simply refuse to provide for their own needs in life.

    I do observe, though, that we in the U. S. have descended onto a new 'normal' of 'Socialism-lite', in which liberal Democrats trade what is becoming a 'welfare-for-life' subsistence existence in return for VOTES.
     
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    You know, Republicans also engage in "welfare" for the 1% and the corporations, in return for campaign funds and votes. Don't for a second think that it's just one of the two main parties that is corrupt. Both are. Which is why I'm an independent.
     
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    And I am what in Colorado is called "unaffiliated".

    I quit the Republican Party in summer 2017 because of all the stinking 'go-along-to-get-along' RINOs who care about nothing but jacking up the stock market.

    Lonely, ain't it...? Then we start voting for 3rd-party party candidates, and DIE in the dark.... :lonely:
     
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    Strange, I'm trying to "like" your post but I click on "like" and nothing happens, so I'm replying instead to say, consider your post duly liked.
     
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    I like to at times use sports teams as examples.

    Teams that play regular season have cut a lot of players off.
    The parties are offense and defense as to the Ds and the Rs.
    The cast off are the third party Others vote for. They never make the team.

    lets say a person claims to be an independent. If in congress, they are virtual outcasts. They do not support either of the two parties. They are the rocks in our shoes to make it clear.
     
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    Not only that Seth, the GOP is not lily white at all.
    Blacks join the party. And why not, they are educated humans.
     
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    Is there some part of the constitution that promotes a 2 party system?? I don't think it is in there, but if it is, it needs to be cut out and burned. We need to change our system to promote more political parties. The two we are stuck with are out of control and corrupt as hell.
     
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    Thank you for CONFIRMING the NEFARIOUS MOTIVATION behind the GOP's racist MINORITY voter suppression.

    If it were ONLY about political power then ALL opposing voters would be TARGETED.

    BUT the FACTS demonstrate that the GOP is specifically targeting MINORITIES who are People of COLOR instead.

    So you were only HALF right. RACISM is a major aspect of the RIGHTWING Minority VOTER Suppression policy.
     
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    So now you are FLAILING with a position that has HOLES in it LARGE enough for an 18 wheeler to go through SIDEWAYS. :eek:

    You are ERRONEOUSLY conflating GENUINE conservative for the BITTER antagonistic RACISM of the Extreme Right that is now in COMPLETE CONTROL of YOUR party.

    Yes, it is YOUR party because YOU are DEFENDING the odious RACIST minority voter SUPPRESSION that will DESTROY our nation and turn into another APARTHEID government where ONLY whites will be allowed to vote.

    On top of that you FAILED to appreciate that the UNWOKE are primarily embittered WHITE reactionaries that have a Stone Age "personal philosophy" that are trying to DESTROY the vary PRINCIPLES on which our nation is FOUNDED.

    YOU are DEFENDING those who are UNDERMINING our DEMOCRATIC elections with BASELESS bovine excrement allegations.

    When it comes to TOKENISM that is on YOUR SIDE, not mine.

    And you are correct that the TOKENISM on YOUR SIDE is PATHETIC.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/rnc-black-republicans/

    And yes, it is SAD that you DEFEND the UNAMERICANISM of the extreme right, Cy. I won't use the term pathetic because I expect better of you than what you are doing NOW.
     
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    Poor little black victims but not of the GOP, of the DNC.
     
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    I can't understand why, but I'm by now convinced that you aren't even bothering to read what others (including myself) are saying, Te.

    You and I have sparred, and occasionally actually agreed on some things for years now, and if anything should be clear to you by now it is that I AM NO LONGER A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN! Moreover, I have not been a Republican since July 2017! Far too many hypocritical RINO's and other self-serving stock market gamblers pretending to be "Conservatives" were finally more than I could stomach -- and I had been a staunch Republican going back to Ronald Reagan!

    If you won't even bother to read my posts, then obviously you feel I have nothing to say to you. If all you want to do is TALK, and not LISTEN, then there's no 'conversation'. And if there's no conversation, then what are we doing? Yelling at each other...? A waste of time. I hope you get over whatever it is that's eating at you, because right now you border on being incorrigible.

    Afterthought: the whole "race card" paradigm is, in one word, BULLSHIT! In 2021, nobody is being unfairly 'discriminated' against, Te. In 1964, the U. S. passed the Civil Rights Act, and, in 1965 we passed the Voting Rights Act. All American citizens are EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW. And when you mash all the partisan rhetoric and propaganda out of it, NOTHING ELSE REALLY MATTERS.
     
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    Speaking from the standpoint of someone who wasted (WASTED) his vote -- twice in a row -- on 3rd-party candidate, Ross Perot, I can certainly agree with you. People in the Libertarian Party and some others that actually appeal to the REAL interests and political views of many Americans are relegated to the status of being 'janitors' at the congressional 'field house' and 'water boys' at the big 'game'.

    Our government has devolved to the point of being little more than a "Punch and Judy" puppet show, starring two hand puppets that quarrel with each other, Democrats and Republicans ... but the puppet master who stages these predictable, sh!tty little melodramas is an unconstitutional central bank -- the "Fed", which controls everything of any importance in this country.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I read every word YOU post, Cy and that is HOW I know that YOU are still an ardent SUPPORTER of the GOP and it's RACIST policies of MINORITY voter SUPPRESSION.

    You might no longer "officially" be a member of the GOP but as long as SUPPORT them and VOTE for them that means your claim to being an "independent" is meaningless.

    Sad that YOU cannot read your own posts from the POV of a GENUINE independent.

    Not stopping from being a SUPPORTER of those ODIOUS unamerican policies that cause HARM to We the People but you are fooling no one but YOURSELF by PRETENDING to be something that you are not.

    RACISM in our nation is as REAL as it is UGLY!

    And while there are still people out there that SUPPORT those RACIST policies of MINORITY voter SUPPRESSION the concept of EQUALITY is FARCICAL.
     
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    [​IMG]. "RACISTS! RACISTS! EVERYWHERE -- RACISTS!" :cynic: . :eyepopping:
     
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    And I happen to like the platforms of some of the 3rd parties. But the Punch and Judy show really is supported by Mom and Pop American and perhaps their children.
    Part of my education for Real Estate dealt with the Fed.
    Most think of the Fed as one thing. It is 12 things. The Chair of the Fed represents private or corporate banks.
    Banks churn our economy.

    Give you some examples.
    I check YouTube videos daily. Some are pretty interesting. Some are on the Fed.
    But let's say you want to buy a home or a commercial building.
    The home loans come from a different source than the commercial buildings come from.
    Kill the Fed off and industry comes to a total halt.
     
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    Pollycy is definitely not a Democrats version of the term Racist.
    I see more Racism daily by Democrats than other groups.
    They carry out a hateful diatribe against one particular race. And it is not blacks.
     
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    TJ: the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure.

    I chose scrap and start over, but scrap is the wrong word.

    I would like a constitutional convention that includes not only the 535, but also some state representatives and perhaps the governors. My preference is the states ban together and take back the power of the people and force the fed to start doing only what it is supposed to do. Federal government overreach is one of my biggest issues.
     
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    The Constitution does provide the basis for a Treasury Department. If we have a functioning, viable Congress, and we have a Treasury Department, why not take back all the functions that liberal Democrats built into the creation of the Federal Reserve System (under Democrat Woodrow Wilson in 1913)? We don't need a "central bank" wielding all this power and lording it over everyone and everything else.

    And it is interesting to observe that in only two other major-league countries in the world, Russia and China, the government tells their central bankers 'how it's going to be' instead of the other way around.... And, both Russia and China have national-debt-versus-GDP ratios that are FAR less than ours... and ours grows ever worse every year.
     
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    We have been trying for over a year to get disability and medicade for our 22-year old. He's got Asperger's, and probably won't ever drive. Heck; he can't even tie his own shoes, yet.

    Our first denial came a few months ago. Reason given was that he earned too much money. My husband called SSA and asked how $0 lifetime earnings could be considered too much. The agent agreed he had earned no money and told us to file an appeal. This is still ongoing. They want him to do something he is incapable of doing, and we are stuck. I'm not sure what to do at this point.

    I know why we have this reputation; in the 80s and 90s, handing out welfare to any asker was all the rage. That's no longer true. We are supporting a 22-year old and when we die, he's going to struggle. Who will pay his medical bills?

    We feel pretty helpless. As of now, in our 50s, neither of us have taken a penny of support from the government. We have a legit young adult here who was born with a condition and he needs support. It doesn't seem like he'll be getting it. Very frustrating.

    I hate reading the "lazy people get welfare," posts. From where we sit, nothing is further from the truth.
     
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