If you refuse the vaccine, you don't matter. It's the people you infect that matter!

The vaccine doesn’t make you safe. At best it’s a therapeutic since it doesn’t stop you from contracting and spreading Covid and you can even die from the virus.

 

There is no such thing as a right to infect others with a deadly virus. This means that it might not be illegal for you to not get the vaccine at this point. But responsible people can make your life pretty miserable (by demanding testing, by not allowing you to fly on airplanes, by refusing to serve you, by firing you or not hiring you... etc), and they would not be infringing on any right you might have.

This is the point.

 

There you go with the strawmen again. The vaccine does not prevent one from infecting others. Vaccinated or not, the virus can be passed on. If you feel protected by taking the vaccine, fine, but it is a dangerous delusion to think that being vaccinated makes one incapable of spreading the virus.

 

Clearly you don't even know what a strawman is.

Yes it does help prevent people from infecting others! But that is not what this thread is about. The scientific basis is discussed elsewhere on this forum. This thread is about what I explained to you.

All ignorance about a deadly pandemic is dangerous. That one in particular is somewhat dangerous (only because we don't know for certain some of the details). But not as dangerous as the ignorance of those who refuse to get vaccinated (which we do know for certain). However, since you have no comment about the topic being discussed on this thread, all I can say is: thanks for playing!

 

and YOU have just introduced a strawman, your words, not mine.

They do have a right not to be vaccinated, but you have attempted to make i9t that they 'have a right to infect other people'. Please quote people saying the actively have a right to infect other people. I've yet to see any evidence that supports your assumptions of the statement you made.

it has nothing to do with me remembering what I said, it has to do with you editing someone else's post. Do I need to actually explain to you what that is, and why people do it?

Since you cannot actually respond to the inquiries placed, it becomes obvious that you assumptions are not valid, and are strictly your opinion. Your welcome to it, but being deceptive about what you are actually posting is glaringly obvious.

 

It should be mandatory that we all reach and maintain a healthy BMI. Not only would it essentially wipe out the Covid pandemic, it would annually prevent hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths caused by the obesity epidemic. Of course if someone has a very good reason to be obese we could give them a pass….

 

Here is your "topic".

If you refuse the vaccine, you don't matter. It's the people you infect that matter!

To that I can only say that yes, the people that get infected do matter, whether by an unvaccinated or vaccinated person.

Your starting this thread is an admission that you and all those vaccinated are not really protected, else why would you care if all us unvaccinated are only passing it on to other unvaccinated? We don't matter, remember? So why the thread in the first place?

 

That's right. They don't have a right to infect other people is the proper way of saying it. I guess that means that they have a right to not get vaccinated so long as they don't interact with people who might get infected inadvertently. Which is pretty far-fetched. But if that was your argument, fine. Precision adopted.

Now can we stay on topic?

I don't know why "people" do it. I just explained why I do it: because I have nothing to comment about the part I don't quote.

Now can we stay on topic?

 

So vaccinated individuals have no right to spread Covid? Are vaccinated people who infect others violating the rights of others? It does the act of vaccination grant rights to one individual to violate the rights of another?

Perhaps you could clarify your position on who DOES have the right to spread deadly disease.

 

Right! The topic is people who refuse the vaccine. Now, did you have anything to say about that? You didn't on this post.

And please, if you refuse to take the vaccine, don't try to hide behind the skirt of all "the unvaccinated". Not only are they two different categories. They are two different TYPES of categories. So man-up, and defend YOUR poor choices without trying to involve people who can't even MAKE a choice.

 

Nobody is claiming that right. You should keep your argument relevant to your complaint.

 

Yes! But this thread is NOT about the vaccinated. So if you want that clarified you would need to open a thread on the topic.

 

Your opinion about interacting is your opinion, not fact. But then again, since you seem to have a short sight on the fact that vaccinated people can infect others without knowing it, so perhaps it's the people that fear being infect, or have a likelyhood of being infect, that should stay home, instead of the majority of the population.

Nice try at a dodge... but we have been on topic.

People do it for the same reason you seem to - because they cannot respond. It is on topic, the statements were on topic, and you are having issues actually responding to things.

 

Oh quite the opposite. You said this in the OP.

You include vaccinated and unvaccinated when you say NO right. Now you say some DO have a right? If you can’t discuss your own OP what is left?

 

Thanks for editing the crap out of my post and then use it for senseless bloviating.

I'm done with you.

 

Wrong! That's the excuse being used by brain-dead governors like DeSantis and Abbott to enact Pro-Covid anti-children policies including those that have required school boards to rebel against to protect children.

 

Yes. Vaccinated people have taken the reasonable precautions to avoid infecting others.

Those who refuse to take the vaccine, on the other hand, are irresponsible. I would look upon it with a favorable eye if they were treated like criminals. But, at a minimum, making their life miserable (requiring them to pay for their own testing, not allowing them on airplanes, not hiring them or firing them... etc) is a good second alternative that would not infringe their rights because they have no right to, by being negligent, infect others with a deadly disease.

And this last paragraph is the topic of this thread. Your attempts to change the subject to "the vaccinated" not withstanding.

 

It also includes gays and lesbians... but that doesn't make sexual preference the topic of this thread.

BTW, only reason I even responded to your post is because I thought up of something funny or amusing (to me) to respond. Otherwise I would have just ignored it.

 

No, it's the truth and no amount of hyperbole about leaders you disagree with changes that. Nobody claims the right to infect others because nobody wants to do that. Your claim is weak due to the fact even those who got the shots can infect both unvaccinated and vaccinated. The vaccine is not 100% effective but you know that.

 

You are saying gays and lesbians have the right to spread deadly diseases? Or they don’t have the right? LOL

And the quote I provided was from the OP making it the topic of the thread—according to you…

 

By attempting to leave out the second half of the existing, actual fact that both vaccinated and unvaccinated can and do transmit the virus, your perception is flawed. People did not get the vaccine to protect 'others' since from the get go, it was made clear that the vaccine did not prevent catching it, it reduces the person's chances of a severe infection. They did it to protect themselves, and even that is not a sure thing.

Your idea of penalizing people who have not complied with your want of vaccination, does not take into consideration the fact that the vaccine does not stop the virus. Period. Why you think that a particular group of people who do not see things as you do should be punished, treated like garbage, serves to highlight a serious flaw in your perception of your fellow man. One could almost call you a bigot, and be on the mark. It also colors virtually every argument you have put forth on other subjects, but I digress.

 

@Heartburn (before): "Nobody is claiming that right."
@Heartburn (now): "No, it's the truth"

I'll step aside and allow you to debate whether there is such a right or not with yourself.

I'm rooting for ya!

 

Well be careful while you do. Don't let one of those unvaccinated scoundrels sneak up and infect you.

 

Educate me. Tell me what the science says about mask wearing.

 

Being vaccinated and getting Covid wouldn't/shouldn't be such a big deal but the NIH/CDC/WHO/Fauci morons place the upmost emphasis on number of cases.

Not only are Americans losing their liberties due to chronic hospitalizations and deaths from Covid infections but Americans are also losing their liberties due to being Covid-sick.