If you were God...

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If you were God, what would be the first thing you do?

  1. Destroy the Universe

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  2. Run the Universe

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  3. Commit suicide

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  4. Kill the Devil

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  5. Erase humanity

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  6. Save humanity

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  7. Do nothing

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    11.5%
  8. Get a drink, a fluffy cloud and a some fun

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  9. Start a war to entertain myself

    1 vote(s)
    3.8%
  10. Other

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    53.8%
  11. Idk

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I voted 'Other' because 'Abolish religion' isn't on the list. :mrgreen:

    I just had a thought - by doing that he, oops, I mean He would be putting himself
    [​IMG] I did it again (capital 'H'?) Himself out of a job.

    OH, and I'd abolish NASA. Reading their ridiculous crap day after day gets on my nerves.
     
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  2. Liberty Monkey

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    What's this "If?" I'd create a bunch of religions and get them to fight with each other, plant dinosaurs to make everyone think the planet was billions of years old instead of 6000 years ;) I'd make sure the correct answer to get into heaven was some obscure religion so everyone got it wrong! I would visit a few plagues on Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi but no one would notice.

    I'd have so much fun with scientists as well ;) Perpetual motion machines that only work when other people aren't around would be SO FUNNY.

    I would do 1 thing for the good of all humanity! I would make it so there's only the original 3 Star Wars again and Disney isn't trying to flog us a dead a Transsexual horse now that would be a true miracle.
     
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    The one Commandment "Beer!" ;)
     
  4. it's just me

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    How very Freudian...
     
  5. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually that is a very good question. Also Satan was an angel in heaven and rebelled. Honestly I can't pin that one down. I take it on faith. The plan of God seems to be there are chosen ones on earth, who embrace His Holiness. They aren't perfect. They do fall short, but there is a decision they have made in their spirit that God has provided a Way for them. That Way is Jesus Christ. And because of that...... when we are in heaven, the scripture says," we will be like Him because we will see Him as He is". Right now we only see Him through a "smokey glass" due to our sin nature, however, we are justified only by faith. It is a mystery, but to me, it makes far more sense than anything else I have ever seen or heard in this world. We see a "new" eternal dimension. I do not arrive at this belief through my own interpretation of what is right and what is wrong like many do here. It was gradually revealed to me by outside sources and through trial and error. I acknowledge my own fallibility and the fact I could NEVER put together what God has done!
    Yes, Adam and Eve were allowed to be sovereign over their choices and like Satan, they rebelled. God did reveal it all to them. He told them not to eat of the "fruit" of the knowledge of good and evil". Satan told them "don't trust in God, trust in your own ability" like many do here that presume to know better than God. They make haughty suggestions as if they know better. Somehow, God had provided a way they could have remained sovereign, yet trusted in God to always do good. Not on their own so they could brag about it.Then the Kingdom of God would truly be revealed. Now, the vehicle is faith. We are ALL in the same boat and have the same opportunity.
     
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  6. yabberefugee

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    I represented fully what you have said. You appear to know better than God and what he has created so you toy with the idea you could remove certain sins and do better. You can't toy with it without removing free will. Justification through faith is the only solution. You and I are not smart enough to figure that one out.
    There,,,,I have contributed.
     
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    I never had any problems with the God(s) of religion, only with the humans who claim to 'act' in their Gods name. But today we seem to elect our Gods and 'they' are much more overbearing and capable of producing heaven and/or hell to be a reality during our lives.
     
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    Where did I say that I am removing certain sins? Honest to God, how well did you read my post? The closest thing I said was creating people with good genetics but this won't necessarily guarantee no sins although it will reduce the amount of sinning. I think that you greatly misinterpreted my post.

    As for your views on justification through faith and your beliefs on how smart we are, you have yet to prove any of this or that my ideas won't work. You have a right to your beliefs but honestly they don't make a lot of sense.
     
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    And you know this how? Who is to say that we are not holy, after all you claim this god to be holy and have just stated we were created in his image.

    You really can't have it both ways.
     
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    So you would scrap everything and..... Yes, you do imply you would take away free will because you think you have a better plan. Think about it. Simple belief or "justification by faith" is the only way mankind can approach Holiness. That was the plan all along. Sure, you could go your way and abolish free will, or somehow you could be justified by works but that would only lead to prideful boasting which is sin in itself. Face it. We cannot make it on our own or of our own design unless we accept what God has already done for us.
     
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    What I meant was creating a being with the same nature as myself. Kind of like cloning myself. Maybe give the being the same mind and memories as myself or something, or create another God and gradually train him up. Basically create the most advanced being possible and help it eventually have the same goodness. Possibly I can start off this being with a very low level of abilities like humans and gradually give it more power as it does well in different lives. So my plan will be a mix of Buddhist Reincarnation where we all live different lives and the goal is to go up to the level of a Buddha, and the Mormon one where we are all put on this planet to train to be Gods. But in this scenario i'd certainly not give these beings mental illnesses or psychopathic or anger-problem genes that will hamper their progress and instead give them the best genetics possible and let them know what this is all about.
     
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    We were created in His image with sovereign choice to not be Holy. So you think you are Holy??? You are by the terms of your own judgement I guess. That is a different yardstick. I will bet my life you have personally caused pain to someone else in your life.....even to the slightest degree. No, you are not Holy. You lie when you say you are. That in itself is not Holy. You must see the world as all morality is relative to the individual. Charles Manson may have been Holy in his own eyes. You just deny God because you want that position yourself.....the original sin.
     
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    I think I understand what you are trying to say. I see it differently. I see it all through the eyes of "Job". We are allowed to have infirmities because it gives us all a chance to bring glory to the real Creator. As we do so, we are awarded as was Job. There is a lot of understanding to be found in that book if one would take the time to understand it. It describes who God is and what He does.
     
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    If I was God, I wouldn't make my children to bring glory to myself. That is simply narcissistic. I'd simply do so to create more amazing people and eventually have a universe full of all powerful benevolent beings. I also don't see how making people purposely flawed brings glory to anything. Its like a doctor giving a child down syndrome to bring glory to himself. Its a bit sick if you ask me. But maybe I am misunderstanding you.
     
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    According to the biblical fairy tale people don't have free will in all things. They can be restricted by physical disability, ethnicity, or by having some bad ancestors. And then maybe Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies, just made some people to be bad and others to be good.
     
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    If you were a god, it would be whatever you wanted it to be.
    If you were a god... whatever you wanted it to be.
    If there were a god, everything, good and bad would happen because and only because it wanted that specific thing to happen. Not because of any lesson, but because and only because god wanted it to. Unless, there were a more powerful god, or, a god was unnecessary.
     
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    You are..... I believe in God so I do not propose to know better than Him. I know the situation we are in is the result of free will and rebellion of Gods purpose to have eternal "relationship" with those who are called according to His purpose. I have known strengthened relationships that have resulted through the existence of down syndrome individuals. Many of them have a sweet spirit from which we can learn. From the beginning it was not God's desire for death to come into the world. It was a progressive thing brought about by humans flawed choices.....the free will you said you would not change. Again, the Book of Job seems to reveal God's purpose. Sometimes we think we know what to ask in prayer but sometimes God knows how to help us in ways we can't imagine. Sometimes it is best to just pray, "Help me Lord".
     
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    Because you do not believe in God, you see yourself as god. I do not believe in you. End of story.
     
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    Belief has very little to do with anything. All I am saying is that either a god is all powerful or it isn't. If it is all powerful, then the only reason anyone suffers is because that god wanted that suffering to occur, and no other possible reason.
     
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    The situation we are in could easily be cured by eliminating or at least reducing the genes and mental illnesses that lead to worse people, and if I were God I would be a lot more open in letting everyone know that I exist and coming down to teach and council my children. This would have an amazing impact and just having a father there just works wonders. Billions of people would know for an absolute fact that they are part of a plan and they should be good to each other and improve themselves. It would be like a training camp where everyone knows they are training and they need to improve. Also, people have a lot of issues and just having some personal time with their father to help work on themselves will work wonders. That is what I would do if I made a planet. If you don't want to live on a planet like that and instead live on planet like this where most people are confused or lost and most people are going to eternal hell when they die and are not given other lives to keep improving then be my guest. But maybe allow people to be able to immigrate to my planet if they don't like yours.
     
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    This is a training camp....right now! We have an eternity to look forward to and see Him as He is.
     
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    Yeah, but its a training camp where most people don't even know its a training camp and if you fail then you fail forever and don't get any second chances. It also doesn't appear that people progressively become Gods. Once they win they go to heaven and become angels forever.

    By the way, I wouldn't base success in the training camp of life on faith. People can lack belief in Christianity because they were raised in another religion and were born in an unlucky situation to become Christian. They could have also been very logical like me and come to the incorrect conclusion while honestly trying to think over the issue. I'd base success on your morality, intelligence, career, diet and exercise, social development, overcoming psychological programs, and generally meeting life goals. Self-improvement is important but I also like people to have fun along the way and just be well rounded, not just being cookie cutter church guys, but also have a little bit of naughty too.

    I don't see how seeing God as he is alone is much of a thing to look forward to. At first it would be pretty cool but eventually we'd get used to it. I suspect living in a giant church for all of eternity singing praises to God might be a little boring. We might even start missing sex, alcohol, parties, digital entertainment, and food. It might be fun to have those things in heaven. I'd also like to allow people to go back to earth and work on building themselves up even more in another life and work on the overall goal of becoming a God too one day.
     
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    You seem to believe that you have more knowledge and a better grasp of right and wrong than this alleged god of yours.

    I have seen no evidence of your omnipotence in your posts, so where do you get the idea of your own superiority?
     
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    As usual, you seem to be all over the place with your statements.

    You continue to accuse others of things that you have obviously done yourself in an effort to clear your own record. Then you claim how others must see the world, just because you say so.

    By all the markers of this bible you claim to believe in you are a failure. But will just continue to blame others for your own failures.
     
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    I would get rid of evil and make a universe where the distinction was not between good and evil but the distinction between a greater good and lessor good.
     

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