IG REPORT: FBI AGENTS REGULARLY RECEIVED FREE HANDOUTS FROM JOURNALISTS

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    You are amazed that the folks who defended the Clinton's would defend this? These aren't folks given to rigorous self-examination. They never question themselves, ever.

    In their minds, they lost because we were brainwashed by a bad carnival show.
     
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    The Trump administration has more leaks than any government agency.

    It's what happens when you have a grifter POTUS, the administration becomes a grifter administration, after which Trumpery and griftery infect the whole of government Federal and State.
     
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    That would make her a “presstitute” right?
     
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    From the journalist point of view, that's probable. But from the FBI point of view, it's taking a bribe. Apparently there are a lot of corrupt FBI agents running around.
     
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    When all you have is deflection...
     
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    #1, there is nothing illegal or wrong about journalists providing gifts/favors of nominal value to sources. They do it all the time, and it's not "bribery": it's simple politeness: if I meet you for lunch to discuss a story, I'll buy the lunch. If you want to argue that buying a source a Chipotle burrito is "bribery", good luck.

    On the FBI side, the most problematic thing is that FBI employees who weren't authorized to speak to the media were speaking to journalists. This is a policy violation that can and likely will lead to discipline, but it's not corruption or evidence of political bias.

    Similarly, the question is whether the FBI officials accepting a lunch from journalists violates FBI policy, and to what degree. I'm sure the FBI has some strict limits on what agents can accept, but it's almost certainly not "zero". Journalists, for instance, are usually barred from accepting stuff from sources, but it's okay if it is of nominal value and necessary to avoid being rude. The classic example is when you go to interview someone at their house, and as a normal host, they offer you a cup of coffee. It is totally fine to accept that. I'm sure the FBI has similar rules.

    In that light, the most problematic thing isn't lunches, but the acceptance of stuff like tickets. I'd expect the FBI to look closely at those exchanges.

    Again, though, accepting improper gifts in violation of FBI guidelines is not a sign of corruption or political bias.

    And finally, LOL at Trump supporters trying to criticize ANYONE for ethics lapses. You lost the right to do that when you supported Trump.
     
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    Looking at the sheer volume of corruption and recent FBI failures, it may be best to simply end the FBI and roll the non-corrupt agents into one of the many other federal law enforcement agencies...
     
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    How about starting a Trump SS to take it's place?
     
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    I said roll them into pre-existing agencies, no need to expand the federal government...
     
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    Trump needs his own SS does he not?
     
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    Trump has the Secret Service, how ignorant are you?
     
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    Ahhhh, the ad hom. Why does Trump not need his own Gestapo/SS? They could be useful no?
     
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    ROFL I'm in sales and and used to entertain lots of customers, it done to SOLICIT their business. Most business don't allow it anymore and if the do there must be a BUSINESS reason to do so and they have to submit a statement of what the purpose was and I also on my expense account for the IRS state what was the business purpose of the entertainment.

    So what was the business purpose of all these gifts and entertainment?

    Reporters cannot SOLICIT protected information, that is a CRIME

    They were leaking information about ongoing investigations and that is ILLEGAL not just violations of the rule. The agents and the reporters should be investigated with appropriate prosecutions.
     
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    Yeah they all do it for side money, been going on long before any of us were born.
     
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    It appears we have more FBI agents either fired demoted or now under investigation that Trump campaign officials.
     
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    I'm going to look at this with an unbiased eye and give my opinion, please tell me if I'm right or wrong.

    I don't think mere contact with a reporter constitutes unethical behavior, for all we know these reporters could have been nearly stalking the agents and not getting any info, so these contacts need to be put in context and how they relate to leaks. The acceptance of gifts and favors is an ethical violation because every HR department in the country drills into every employee's brain to avoid the appearance of inappropriate behavior - just giving someone the impression the possibility of inappropriate behavior exists can cause doubt in the minds of onlookers, so that behavior needs to be avoided.

    I think before we start lynching people we need to find out if: A) did agents leak to reporters, and B) were they rewarded with gifts for doing so. If that happened then heads should roll.
     
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    And I was a journalist for 18 years. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to journalists.

    The leaking is a completely separate subject. I was responding to your post about tickets and lunches.

    The reporters did nothing wrong at all, your faux outrage at perceived ethics lapses not withstanding.

    The agents may face discipline for leaks or violating policy. That is up to the FBI.
     
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    This is completely fair.
     
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    I've worked with the government as a wholesale salesman and we weren't allowed in any form or fashion to offer the government official any type of gifts, outings, meals or anything worth any value
    hell I couldn't even offer them a pen with the company name on it. I let one of the buying agents use a pen I had to sign a purchase order a pen that had the company logo on it he was giving it back and I said you can keep it he said he cant he would be in trouble if he was caught with that pen
     
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    Every year everyone in management where I work has to declare what they gave or paid for to union reps and government workers. If we pay for a meal everything has to be documented including who, where, how much and why. And we are not allowed to take anything from union reps or government workers except donuts if they happen to pay for them (not likely) during meetings.
     
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    Actually I do dodge noted.

    If they enticed or solicited sensitive information to be leaked to them in exchange for gifts or anything of material value they most certainly can be in hot water as they would be party to a crime and the agents have already been referred for possible action.
     
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    Trump cultists have no credability they have lost all of it, zero nada. Whether it's true or not hearing a Trump cultist complain about bribery while Scott Pruitt is still employed is just a joke. Regain your credability and denounce Pruitt.

    I refuse to even acknowledge any concern in the face of blatant hypocrisy.

    Sorry that's what happens when you put party before principles.
     
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