Ignorance shown in my 2008 campaign, my apology to Ms. Elizabeth May!

Dear Ms. Elizabeth May....... Based on your comments on this topic in the past I strongly suspect that you have already seen this brilliantly done film..... but if not.... you will find this profoundly encouraging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkN58gjcsp8&feature=youtu.be
Canada to control its own money ?

 

This is certainly encouraging information!


http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/17/pf/local_currency/index.htm?iid=F_Jump

 

Wow cool! Acid world.

 

Yup................ I got a really good reply back on climate change in another discussion.......

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=411934&page=36&p=1065303476#post1065303476
Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives

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You may find it kind of interesting Independent thinker that one of the best places to begin a rather huge shift in the world economy could well be through a peace deal between the nations of Jordan and Israel.

http://www.politicalforum.com/middl...-peace-deal-between-jordan-israel-coming.html

Near death experiencer shown peace deal between Jordan and Israel is coming.
I read both of Dannion Brinkley's books about his two near death experiences back in the '90's.


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"The country of Jordan was changing color" could mean that the deserts were turning green. There is an ancient Islamic prophecy that in the latter days… the deserts of the Islamic nations would be turned green.

http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021110

.......This is certainly a good beginning to turning the deserts of Jordan green.

http://saharaforestproject.com/projects/jordan.html

 

And when you have some free time you will almost certainly be impressed and encouraged by this writing on how peace can be achieved between Palestinians and Israelis.

http://www.godspeaceplan.blogspot.ca/2014/07/gods-peace-plan-for-holy-land-peace.html

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I read the condensed version of The Bermigo Plan by Gordon Miller. I was impressed, but I read this plan three times and asked permission from the author to turn this into a blog so that it would be easier for many people to read who find PDF annoying.

 

The problem is far worse than the simple acidification of the oceans indicates. The problem is the destruction of nature solely for profit where we're literally "eating the grain needed for planting" reducing the natural resources that we depend upon and this is happening across the board.

Just looking at the oceans we depend upon them for food and most of the food we eat from the oceans is at the top of the food chain. Yes, the death of the microscopic life most affected by acidification reduces the food source for the higher species we consume but that hasn't been the real problem. Over-harvesting is the real problem because we diminish what the ocean can provide. Let me provide an example.

Because we have the technology today we've over-fished the ocean's tuna stocks (a highly desireable food) and today only about 20% remain when compared to less than 100 years ago. If we merely assumed that the ocean can provide sustainable tuna of 5% of the entire tuna population then we can calculate the loss. If we go from 1 million tons of tuna that would provide 50,000 tons as food down to 200,000 tons then we can only harvest 10,000 tons of tuna. That's a loss of 40,000 tons of food every year.

We can look at our forests. About 150 years ago the logging companies moved into California and began harvesting the giant redwoods and giant sequoias that ranged in age from about 1,000 to 2,000 years old. About 90% of these trees where harvested and the remaining 10% are now protected. We have zero to harvest today because the logging for profit ignored the fact that it had to be based upon selective harvesting based upon a 1,000 to 2,000 year timeframe for these trees. Nature dictated the timeframe while profit dictated the destruction and the destruction has denied all future generations this natural resource.

 

Phenomenally well said Shiva_TD!

I would love to get your analysis of this theory:

http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...e-elliott-trudeau-save-world-environment.html
Did P. M. Pierre Elliott Trudeau save the world environment?

This is actually a quite serious question.

P. M. Trudeau made an error back in 1974, that may well come to be understood as one of the most important mistakes ever made by a political leader.

When P. M. Pierre Elliott Trudeau took Canada off the gold standard, (which incidentally had to be done for many valid reasons), a miscalculation was made that is the number one reason why our national debt has spiraled out of control.

But..... there is a very good side to this because all of us know that we humans have been in a somewhat similar mentality to our ancestors who shot, boiled, barbecued, roasted and friend passenger pigeons into extinction.

We are highly prone to OVER Consumptionism............. I addressed part of the background issues back in my 2006 provincial level campaign as an independent.

 

Yeah........ it really did......… and I am now involved in attempting to convince somebody to campaign for the office of National Leader of Canada's Conservative Party who I know will raise up the level of dialogue all across the board up here in Canada....... which is certain to have something of a positive impact on USA political discussion.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/697266347074933/

Canadians 4 Peter MacKay for Conservative Leadership.

 

You were right the first time. The ocean acidification is alleged to be one tenth of a point less alkaline. Oceans vary in alkalinity by much more than that, often in one day.

 

Do you have any statistics Hoosier8 on the degree to which the increased acidity in the oceans might also substantially trace back to Sulfur Dioxide and acid rain?

 

You compare the ph of the entire ocean with the ph measurements at specific locations and it's not the same. The ph of the ocean has been relatively constant because it contains trillions of gallons of water and an increase of 1/10th of a point represents a huge amount of acid being dumped into the oceans. Yes, local measurements can vary by much more than 1/10th of a point but this also means that in some places the ph could go up by a point or more which is more than enough to kill off some of the life in that location... and that life often doesn't return for thousands of years if the ph is restored. Once dead is always dead in many cases.

We've seen this with coral reefs around the world. I've read that 90% of the coral in the Caribbean is now dead and acidification is a primary cause. That coral will never return in our lifetime and problem not for another 1000 years even if we end the acidification of the ocean.

But once agian, from a human perspective, that isn't the biggest problem. Over-fishing is number one when it comes to the food we need from the ocean. I was at the market yesterday and a new fish was for sale. While I forgot the name the package said it was a tropical fish. Guess what. The reason they're selling tropical fish is because of the over-fishing of fish from the vast resources of cold water fish that have been all but depleted today due to over-fishing. The cod, halibut, and tuna are slowing becoming all but extinct making them less and less profitable to harvest.

 

What you read and what is fact are two different things. First, coral produces it's own acidification more than the surrounding water. Second, acidification is projected to kill coral but is not killing coral. Third temperature affects coral much more than a 0.1 point change in alkalinity. Forth, acidification is last in threat to coral and if you read any of the papers on it, they are laced with what may happen, not what is happening. The ocean locally varies as much as one point seasonally and even daily.

What are the biggest threats to coral?

Collection of coral for construction and use in the curio trade
Chemical Pollution - agriculture runoff
Nutrients Loading/Sewage
Overfishing
Destructive fishing and boating practices
Construction and Sedimentation
Mangrove cutting
Rubbish/Litter
Tourists
Fish-feeding - fish feeding dive tours

Study: CO2 “acidification” does not harm Coral

Of course, what does this all mean? For one, media likes to repeat alarming news but rarely really studies the issues or relays the uncertainty in the claims they are repeating. It also means that if you look at what is coming out in papers that the idea the 'science is settled' is a false claim for political purposes as science is never settled, especially in such a murky science as climate science.

 

Have you seen the documentary "Cowspiracy?"

http://www.cowspiracy.com/

Thank you for the list of the major threats to coral reefs. Your list significantly verifies the theories put forward in this documentary.

 

Thank you for these impressive statistics.

Do you substantially agree with Hoosier8's list of threats to coral reefs?

 

A couple of problems with your analysis.

First and foremost is that the death of 90% of the coral in the Caribbean is predominately relates to the world's second largest barrier reef that's off the coast of Mexico and Belize and it isn't significantly affected by the problems you cite although all of them do contribute to the death of the coral reef that will never return. So this barrier reef is being destroyed by human activity and when it's dead, it's dead, and will not return.

The causes you do cite are overwhelmingly caused by man and all of them need to be addressed.

The increase in the ph of the ocean by just 1/10th of a point is significant because of the vast amount water in the ocean and how much acidificantion caused by man is required to change it even 1/1,000,000th of a point. The ph of the ocean is critical to ocean life and this massive increase in the amount of acid in the ocean is alarming at the very least because it is a known potential threat to ocean life.

We're experiencing a massive extinction of ocean life that overwhelmingly relate to the negative actions. If the ocean dies then man dies which is why we must be concerned about the problems we're creating with the ocean eco-system, all of the problems we're creating with the ocean eco-system.

You mention the debate on climate change which is a result of global warming but there's no scientific debate on global warming. For example we know that there's been no respite in the heat absorption of the planet because the oceans are heating up at an unprecidented rate. How that will affect tropospheric temperatures (i.e. climate) over a specific time frame can be debated but not the fact that the planet is getting warmer. We also know that the sea levels will rise substantially regardless of "climate change" because this overwhelmingly relates to the thermal expansion of the ocean water as opposed to land ice that melts due to increased temperatures of the troposphere (climate change). Land ice will only cause a minor increase in sea level when compared to a sea level rise due to thermal expansion of the oceans.

There's no debate at all in the scientific community when it comes to Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) that results from greenhouse gases created by burning fossil fuel (CO2) and deforestation that reduces the ability of the planet to re-absorb the carbon from the atmosphere. The only debate is on how the global warming will affect the climate over specific and very limited time frames.

 

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Again..... this sure reminds me of images given in the film "Cowspiracy" about the extent of agricultural runoff mostly into the Gulf of Mexico!

http://www.cowspiracy.com/about/

Have you seen this film yet Shiva_TD?

 

No, I haven't wasted my time watching the movie and for one good reason. Cows produce natural pollution and not man-made pollution. Does it really matter if it's cows or millions of American bison that once existed that creates this natural pollution? Nature is quite capable of dealing with natural pollution and has been doing so for millions of years.

 

True... but the producer of the film made an excellent point that a large part of the problem is the fluoride and ammonia and other chemicals that are used to clean up the barn floor.

There is an exceptionally interesting USA Independent Presidential candidate who is advocating a ban on fluoride and instead the use of hydrogen peroxide wherever possible.

I am a cleaner at a school and I certainly do prefer hydrogen peroxide cleaners over the alternatives.


http://www.politicalforum.com/elections-campaigns/421384-steve-d-kelly-has-interesting-platform.html

Steve D. Kelly has an interesting platform.



He sure got my attention with part 1 of his plan!

 

After watching the film "Cowspiracy" I am now asking a few new questions relevant to this topic.......


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=331904&page=43&p=1065685465#post1065685465

CO2 causing oceans to acidify at 'unprecedented' rate, scientists warn

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Again, the threat if Ocean PH change is a projection by 2100, not what is happening now. The ocean no matter where you check changes more in a month than the alleged projection of change and sea life seems to take it quite well.

 

True...… but my wife and I are celebrating our fifteenth anniversary today........... and it seems like those 15 years just flew by in a few days!!!!!!!

 

Wow!!!!

I just found out a new detail that could be highly relevant as to why our oceans seem to be dying so rapidly!????



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I just found out something that could be related to this?!?! What do you think about MTBE?

If this chemical is increasing the tendency for water to repel oxygen.... this would tend to kill algae and other plants that live in water..... that feed on CO2????!

 

Science, this issue p. 1533; see also p. 1466

Abstract

As anthropogenic carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions acidify the oceans, calcifiers generally are expected to be negatively affected. However, using data from the Continuous Plankton Recorder, we show that coccolithophore occurrence in the North Atlantic increased from ~2 to more than 20% from 1965 through 2010. We used random forest models to examine more than 20 possible environmental drivers of this change, finding that CO2 and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation were the best predictors, leading us to hypothesize that higher CO2 levels might be encouraging growth. A compilation of 41 independent laboratory studies supports our hypothesis. Our study shows a long-term basin-scale increase in coccolithophores and suggests that increasing CO2 and temperature have accelerated the growth of a phytoplankton group that is important for carbon cycling.

 

That is certainly encouraging information!

I have even read that it may be increasing growth of some vegetation in desert areas that don't have any increase in humidity but...... vegetation is growing so....... it may be higher levels of atmospheric CO2?!


http://www.livescience.com/37055-greenhouse-gas-desert-plants-growing.html

Carbon Dioxide Greening Deserts
by Becky Oskin,

 

This is good news......

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-solar-guru-promises-more-plants-in-us-africa/
Israel solar guru promises more plants in US, Africa