Illegal immigration at lowest point in 17 years, so why spend billions on the wall?

So why pay billions for the wall when there is obviously an effective alternative? Why not go after the cause of illegal immigration which is employers that break the law by hiring illegals?! There is no cost benefit analysis nor a shred of proof that the cost of the wall will be offset by a reduction of illegal immigration. I would think a businessman (Trump) who I assume deals with cost benefit analysis and ROI's would understand this!

 

I think this would likely work best as well, but at the same time we need better border security and find ways to deal with the Mexican drug cartels. I honestly would offer to go send our DEA and army in to go clean house for them because they way they run things effects US and because there government is full of lazy corrupt fools I don't see how else to fix it.

 

Simple. The wall protects us Americans from the next Obama elected to the presidency. Those who want to ignore our immigration laws will have a hard time once the wall is in place. That's the sad truth.

 

Anyone can go after illegal immigrants but Obama defended them over his own people and sued the AZ state government over it. So we should not rely on any one president alone. Trump is doing the right thing. By building the wall every president after him will be able to deal with the flow of illegal immigration better and if a president turns out to be another Obama we will still have less illegal immigrants because of the wall. It's a win-win no matter what.

 

indeed, there is no need for a wall if threats of harsher ICE enforcement is reducing illegal immigration.

 

Because they're not the only ones breaking the law. Go after those who hire illegals, as well as the illegals themselves.

I agree the wall is misguided, especially asking Mexico to pay for it. I'd just get a lot more border cops and monitor the border 24/7 with satellite imagery to alert them. A virtual wall.

 

We could start by hiring better border patrol agents. Anyone's who ever been near the Texas-Mexican border knows that the US border patrol is basically a bunch of out of shape rednecks. They all think their cops and they like to pull people over even though it's illegal for them to do so.

The main issue with the current roster is that many of them think they have the authority to turn legal residents away. I had a friend who was visiting family in Mexico and was stopped by the border patrol on his way back into the US. He gave him his passport, ID card, green card, etc and the partrolman ripped them all up, saying that they were all fake and that he was a Beaner, Muslim terrorist (I am not making that up LOL). He went to one of the US embassies in Mexico and got new documents and reported the agent who destroyed his old ones.

There are other less funny stories though. One woman, who was a legal resident and refugee from south American running from the cartels, was turned away without just cause by a border patrol agent and ended up being murdered by cartels before she could clear things up. Her son was killed as well when he went down to help her talk to the US embassy.

 

Because the US's most expensive infrastructure project in history apparently needs to be a useless wall with no repay value.

 

My view is that Trump shoots from the hip in business, since he is unable to concentrate due to his ADD. The wall will be his legacy, with his name planted on it in gold print, and this is what he is shooting for.

 

Obama deported 2.7 million illegal immigrants. And believe it or not, a wall can be dismantled more easily than erecting it. The
billions of dollars that will be thrown at his wall would be better spent on infrastructure and inner cities. Also, the wall won't prevent
people and drugs from entering. Fear and a robust border patrol is having a remarkable effect, and it will only get better.

 

Then Trump would have to arrest himself, because he hires undocumented immigrants for his building projects.

 

Because it isn't yet zero?

 

Illegals send $69B annually largely to Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala. According to Pelosi, every dollar the government spends creates $1.79 in economic activity. That means that illegals hammer the economy to the tune of $124B annually. At this rate, how many years will it take to pay off the wall?

According to a recent Supreme Court ruling, 11 million illegals have to be counted in districting and, therefore, add 15 Congressional districts and 15 electors in Presidential elections. Being sensitive to foreign involvement in our elections, I'm sure you are aghast that Democrats have been colluding with these foreigners for years to throw elections their way.

 

If democrats thot for one minute that the illegal aliens coming here might illegally vote for republicans, you would be able to see the border wall from the space station.

 

He'll simply leave the backdoor opened.........

 

Can you back up that claim? I'm sure trump hires a general contractor who in turn hires sub contractors.

 

A person applies for a job. The employer can't ask if they're a foreigner or an American because it violates the equal opportunity law. The applicant provides a Social Security number and identification to the employer. The employer has no way of determining if the person they just hired is in the country legally or illegally. They're not law enforcement and they can't tell if the documents are real or just quality forgeries. The employer didn't solicit workers that were in the country without documentation. The employer may have even hired the person when they were in the country on a temporary work visa and that visa has since expired.

The prosecution must demonstrate that the employer intentionally and/or knowingly hire an illegal alien and that's not necessarily easy to prove. As noted there are also laws that prevent an employer from digging too deep into the applicants personal life and employment status. The application for can ask if the person is legally entitled to work in the United States but the applicant checks that box and the employer doesn't have the legal authority to dispute the applicant's claim because the employer is not law enforcement.

BYW - the current economic crisis is a lack of "illegal aliens" to do work for US employers. Americans won't take the jobs.

 

The drug cartels are powerful because of prohibition, decriminalize drugs and the drug cartels will be crippled if not put out of business altogether.

 

What evidence do you have that proves that the cost of the wall will be offset by a reduced cost of illegal immigration due to fewer illegal immigrants crossing the border?

 

What evidence do you have that proves that the cost of the wall will be offset by a reduced cost of illegal immigration due to fewer illegal immigrants crossing the border?

 

Good points that can be fixed. Do illegals literally get Social Security cards? If so that needs to stop and issued cards to illegals revoked. As for economic crisis, let Mexicans work in America with a work visa, streamline the process if need be.

 

See post #3

 

For landscaping on golf courses? He admitted it during the campaign, saying that the law allowed it and I heard him. He also uses Japanese steel. I don't know about his contractors. He doesn't pay his bills, and is known for stiffing business people, some of whom have commented on that in public. One baad dude. His business practices are known to be questionable. Bloomberg said that he and Trump travel in the same business circles, and the other millionaires agree that Trump is a con man. A good friend of mine is a sculpture, and was invited to bid on a project at Trump property. After doing his due diligence, he didn't submit a bid.

 

Many Mexicans are afraid to try and enter our country, due to the strict enforcement of our laws, and the treatment that they receive at the hands of the border patrol.

 

What you are talking about is remittances, which is something that all groups of immigrants (legal, illegal, and US citizens) do, and is not really something that economists view as a negative on a macro level. When immigrants send money to their native born country, they're not just sending US dollars, but are relying on money transfer services which exchange those dollars for whatever native currency that country uses, which is also taxed by the US federal government. The monetary impact of these exchanges helps US exports grow, while also creating revenue for our federal budget.

http://www.allgov.com/news/where-is...nefit-the-us-economy-report-shows?news=840415


Also, what you are describing with the voting districts is the problem with the electoral college. The electoral college point system is not based on the voter populous, but rather the resident populous(not this is not only true for illegal immigrants, but ALL residents). Meaning that legal and illegal immigrants do have an impact on the zoning of districts and the overall number of elector college points that a state is worth in a general election, even though they legally are not allowed to vote.

The reason why we have this system is slave states wanted to be given more authority in our general elections based on their slave populous (even though slaves were not allowed to vote). We have yet to correct this outdated system