Illegal immigration at lowest point in 17 years, so why spend billions on the wall?

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    I seriously doubt the illegals crossing the border work with drug gangs to, while they are at it, also ship in drugs.

    Also weird that buying and selling drugs is illegal.
    But employing illegals in the US.... not a war on people who refuse to employ joe the taxpaying plumber.
    They just seem to let this white border crime happen as much as possible.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, certainly all the wet backs are not carrying drugs. But since the mission of this nation is to prevent illegal drugs from entering, might as well take care of the entire problem. A wall will be a vast help.
     
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    No I am not trying to justify it, I am saying that the system in which it was created is outdated, and should have never been created to begin with. The electoral systems should have always been based on voter populous. I don't think you are understanding me at all

    In regards to drug addiction, no country is drug free. The addiction rate of a country actually has very little to do with the amount of drugs that are available. Drugs are always available, no matter what country you live in. Again, in Portugal they were able to reduce their addiction rate to around a 3rd of what it was before, and they were able to do this without making any significant decreases in drug trafficking.

    Think of it like alcoholism, alcohol is accessible in most places around the world, yet the addiction rate varies a great degree between places. That's because addiction has very little to do with the amount that is being sold. Trafficking and addiction are their own respective issues

    As for curbing trafficking by building a wall, that has never worked anywhere.
     
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  4. notme

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    Starts to be rather ridiculous that you think an illegal immigrant carries a little bag of cocaine across the border for the need of some piece of white trash. They ship in truckloads, literally. And no wall is going to stop that.
     
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    So, you agree that by opening the door to illegal aliens and giving them sanctuaries in Democrat voting states, Democrats have used foreigners to tip the scales in the elections ,,,, Guatemalans, Hondurans and Mexicans have been given a vote by Democrats. Obama colluded with foreign countries since after laying out a welcome mat for illegals, his solicitor general worked to have their presence count to deny Republicans free and fair elections.
     
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    Ignorance isn't an excuse. By the way, Trump admitted to hire migrant worker because he found it "difficult" to hire American citizens for "seasonal" jobs. What an @$$.
     
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    Have you not heard of e-verify? If the employer is too lazy to do the check, then they deserve some stiff penalty.
     
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    For the next lib idiot like Obama.
     
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    Building a wall would drive lefties over the edge. Therefore it would be worth every penny.
     
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    No, the immigrants themselves do not actually vote unless they are citizens, however the electoral college shapes our voting districts based on residents rather than voter populous(this is true whether the residents are legal or illegal immigrants). So in other words, states are being given electoral college points based on their overall population instead of their voter population alone. The appropriate course of action would be to remove the electoral college and replace it with an electoral system that is based on the voter populous.

    In other words, get rid of the electoral college.
     
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    So it may be if you can establish that in a court of law.
     
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    If crime is down one year we still decide to have doors and locks on our homes. Our gated communities still have gates.

    A physical barrior is a no brainer and it's odd hearing people act like a wall doesn't work as a barrior. We see walls acting as barriors every day.
     
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    We've never needed a wall. As Trump has proved, and as I've been saying all along, all we need do is enforce the law.
     
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    Doesn't need to be, since Mexico will be paying for the wall. ;)
     
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    No, the system is not outdated at all.

    Please explain why the people who live in New York and California should decide who the President of the United STATES is.

    And here I thought liberals loved minority groups.

    The EC is the one thing that keeps the union together.

    Do you guys put thought into these things at all?

    We've been building walls for thousands of years, and still build them. There's a reason for that.
     
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    I was just in San Diego and the border patrol had a lot of Hispanics.
     
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    I'm sorry, but how does the electoral college prevent large states from deciding who the president will be? It doesn't, it only had that impact in the 1700 and 1800s because a significant percentage of the south's population were slaves. Southern states were given more authority then because of the electoral college, but as the nation has grown, our elections are becoming less and less diverse. For about 20 years now, our elections have strategically revolved around the decision of but a few states. The fact of the matter is not all states are equally important in the electoral college. Also, the voting demographic changes that occur in an individual state don't always represent the changes of the entire country. For example, in Texas 59% of their voters chose Republican in the 2000 election, in 2008 55% chose Republican, and in 2016 52% chose Republican. Despite the fluctuating popularity between the two parties nation wide, the popularity of the Democrats in Texas has been steadily growing every presidency, and is expected to go blue within 20 years. If this happens, then our general elections will be almost completely dictated by just three states.

    As for building walls, they have historically been built for military purposes, but over time have become less effective. The walls of Constantinople were impenetrable for over a thousands years, until the Ottomans used gun powder as a military weapon. There's a reason why walls have become less common as a military defense, as technology has developed, they have become less effective.

    Using walls as a means of curbing drug trafficking is a whole different discussion. Walls have never been effective at preventing drug trafficking.
     
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    Where did you get the 2.7 million number from?

    The AZ state government tried to help the border patrol deport illegals and Obama sued them for it. He supported illegals over his own people. So don't give me any lies that Obama actually cared about deporting illegal criminals. He said "Dreamers" could vote remember?

    The wall will slow down the flow of drugs and stop a lot of illegals from making it into the country. It will help. The inner cities are full of liberals and yes I agree we have issues that need to be worked on but I also think it's sad Obama did nothing to fix these problems. Obama left Trump with a huge mess to clean up.
     
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    I have no evidence and I never said the cost would offset but it could. Less illegals means less money hunting them down and deporting them. The wall will not stop all illegals but it will stop a lot of them in my opinion. Each president after Trump will have fewer criminals to deport and less of a problem to deal with. Obama left Trump with a huge mess and Trump is trying to take care of it before it gets any bigger,
     
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    To be honest, i' d ask why some realized gain or offset is so important. Not like we haven't pissed away billions before even if you do question the savings. I don't question the savings, it's there certainly over the long haul and at worst very close to there.

    If money is your Only argument it's a losing one at the end of the day.
     
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    Texas has been steadily growing every presidency, and is expected to go blue within 20 years.



    I am not worried, Latinos are conservative by blood..they are not leftys...
     
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    I believe that is the route they plan to take. A physical wall in certain places and a wall of electronic surveillance in other places.
     
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    Exactly who is us? I don't care whether you are impressed, or not. It was simply an observation, so don't flatter yourself. I don't run
    around in the same circles of liberal arts degrees, just with nice people.You?
     
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    He has admitted doing just that during his campaign, saying that it was legal and that He would change it. I heard it.
     
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    I have read articles supporting my assertion, one from Snopes.com for example, and I was as amazed as you are. Obama deported undesirables, and did not round 'em up like cattle, as Trump is doing. He was called "The deporter in chief". It is ok to give credit where credit is due. That "mess" that you refer to existed long before Obama(30 years). The inner cities are full of poor people and gangs , and who cares what their political affiliation is? Oh, and don't call me a liar, hotshot. Try reading for a change, and try to keep an open mind. Trump
    isn't all you think he is. I am not a liberal, just a very concerned Republican.
     
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