illegals and their children overwhelming school systems

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  1. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    How do I win by paying for someone else's education? Seems like I lose and they win.
     
  2. Uncle Meat

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    And this is a classic example of why more education can only be a good thing.

    Ignorance will only lead to more posts, and people, such as this. :roll:
     
  3. Uncle Meat

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    This is what ignorance produces. :roll:

    Thank goodness for education, and the people who access it.
     
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    Hey *******....I say..."Let them get that education back in their own country".

    Not in my country, off my tax dollars.

    Illegals don't pay taxes...and they should not be entitled to not even crap.

    Illegals by law are criminals. And anyone aiding or helping an illegal is a criminal too.

    *******...Are you helping any Illegal?
     
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    I'm curious, don't they realize that illegals pay taxes as well?
     
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    It's easy for jackasses from Australia to voice their opinions, on how Amercans should accept illegals, and educate their filthy criminal asses.

    I wonder how many of those outback tribal crap folk or Taiwanese low lifes, are swarming into Australian major cities and schools.
    Off the tax dollars of their white candy-asses.

    Hipocrit Aussie Bastards.
     
  7. Ethereal

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    If you're incapable of answering the question, just let me know.

    How do I win by paying for someone else's education? Explain yourself or **** with your empty platitudes.
     
  8. Ethereal

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    Again, you're not up to the task. Color me shocked.

    Why don't you pay for their education? You'll win! Don't you want to win?
     
  9. Anders Hoveland

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    The entertainment industry is already moving out of hollywood, the costs in California are just too expensive. http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/12/business/fi-ct-runaway12

    The great central valley that provides so much of America's food is slowly dying. There is a big problem with salinization, too much salt is being deposited in the soil from the irrigation. The central valley will turn into a barrent desert in the next few decades. http://aquafornia.com/archives/13578
    There are increasingly becoming water shortages, as there simply is not enough water for all the people living in the state. Droughts are becoming more common. All the urbanization that has been happening (to accomodate immigration) is deplenishing the water table, so that many wells no longer yield any water. The paved surface and cement-lined streams prevent water from seeping into the ground. Most of the rivers is southern California are too polluted to drink anyway, since they basically dump sewage in them. The overcrowding is ruining the environment.

    The commercial/technological base is also in decline. As the years have gone by, the technology has been outsourced to China and Malaysia. California has not come up with any new innovations. The medical tech companies are not doing well either, since medicare is cutting reimbursements, and refusing to fund innovative new procedures.

    There is also a SEVERE traffic congestion problem in southern California. There are just too many people and too many cars. Pollution is horrible in Los Angeles.
     
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    It's so sad to see someone as ignorant as this. Really, really sad.

    You must be trolling, because there is no way on earth that anyone could be so ignorant that they don't understand the benefits of educating as many people as possible, no matter the cost.

    You can play dumb if you want to, however, I don't believe that you are that stupid. No one could be.
     
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    Glady, with no questions asked.
     
  12. Clint Torres

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    Thanks for the grim outlook and update on CA. Seems like Oakland, Sand Fran, and Long Beach are the only industries that will keep Califrisco alive. The commerce to and from Asia will be like what Boston and NYC is to the East Coast. Your state needs to worry about the competition from Canada and Mexico. If those countries become bigger consumers than the USA, most bidness will be going to those ports. I understand Chile and Brazil are all ready in good standing with Asia, and they have been trading for the past 25 years.

    Because the USA will fail in the near future as a result of its huge cost for failing public schools, individuals will need to look at going abroad for employment. Which may be a good thing to get into now.

    For example, the diversified US student who has education and real experience (not student volunteer BS, but real employment) could go to another country to capitalize on employment with their bi-lingual skills and specialized training and successfull work experience in vocational work or other professional capacity.

    Oh, that's right Americans are not schooled to work abroad.

    As I have mentioned before, the USA has petered out on job opportunity. They can only employ a limited amount of workers in any vocation or profession. The USA is oversaturated with graduates and undergraduates who have no experience. In addition, there are older relics who are holding on to there jobs with a death grip because they have no money.

    The only way a smart educated experienced American will get a job is to work in another country, or work in agriculture in the USA. There are no opportuities to tap into, they are all over tapped by other opportunist. That is why things cost more in the USA than in other parts. Because there is more overhead and more pinchers to pay.

    Eventually immigrants will be going back to Mexico when their economy gets better. I suspect the inflow of Mexicans and Canadians are slowing. Nevertheless, you can bet that the best of the best immigrants from other contries will be seeking employment in other emerging countries if the corporations and universities here in the uSA start tightning up on the pay..

    There is alwasy an excuse for whay the USA public schools can't perform for the big fat tax money it consumes. If it's not the illegal alien, what other excuse will it use?
     
  13. Ethereal

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    Still no explanation. I'm starting to think you don't have one.

    How do I win by paying for someone else's education? What guarantee is there that they'll be properly educated, or that they'll utilize their education for good? Why can't parents pay for their own childrens' education? Or don't they care enough to pay for it?
     
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    Then cut them a check. What are you waiting for?
     
  15. Albert Di Salvo

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    I am much amused by the fact that the children of illegal aliens will be attending California public schools where they will be instructed in the importance of gay and lesbian activities in the development of the state. The illegals will find their children will know all about cork sucking.
     
  16. Clint Torres

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    I think the Mexican will be heading back to Mexico in a few years to get jobs. They will have it much easier than a American because they know the culture. If Mexicans realy want opportunity they would head farther south to Chile or Brazil, or even Columbia for work.
     
  17. Anders Hoveland

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    Not sure about this. Even as bad as things are in the USA, it is still worse in Mexico. But yes, the draw that America once had for illegal immigrants is lessening. This is, of course, assuming that the mexican economy continues to do as well as it has been doing, and does not go to hell, like it did in the 1980's.

    Many of the Latin-American countries are even less friendly to illegal immigrants, even fellow hispanics, than the USA is. And Brazil speaks Portugese, so it would still take some adjustment from spanish-speaking immigrants from other latin-american countries.
     
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    Nothing as long as the child's parents pay for it. Children are a responsibility. If the parent can't handle it they shouldn't be allowed to conceive.

    I wasn't put on this planet so I can pay for other people's kids, especially people who sneak across our border, steal identities, skip paying taxes, and then bad mouth the very people who are forced to pay for them.

    If you're so interested in sharing, why don't you go ahead and mail me a blank check because I'm interested in going to mmi but I don't have the money right now and I'm not interested in getting a loan.

    Thanks in advance for caring, and sharing.
     
  19. Clint Torres

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    Difference here is the illegal would get a job and work to go on to college. Even the legal forigeners serve the US in the military and get jobs, and their illegal parents work 2-3 jobs to help their legal kids go to college. In the USA the kids suck off their parents and feel so privilaged they expect their parents to get them a job. And they feel to American to work in any job. But the forigener will start from the bottom and work their way up and pay taxes to the USA while the American waits for someone to give them their ideal dream job, which may never come.

    And 5-10 years later the American will not be able to get a decent job because the employer will ask, what have you done for the past 5-10 years other than go to school off your parent's money.

    But the immigrant will be working trying to support a family, paying taxes for the past 10 years, and will be the cause of the privilaged disenfranchised unemployed 30 year old American.
     
  20. Albert Di Salvo

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    Illegality is a permanent status crime. I wasn't always so hostile to illegals. But as their numbers and demands have grown my heart has hardened against them. It doesn't matter whether they are naughty of nice. It doesn't matter what their contribution is. Every day they are here is another criminal event.
     
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    Sure it is. However getting back to the original post. In over ten years of working with schools, courts, special education, DHS and DOH service, in State government as a gate keeper for the tax money, I have never seen or heard of one illegal immagrant using the taxpayer funded service provided to public schools, the special ed programs, or the DHS and DOH services. Not one. While working for the federal government, I had 3 illegal immigrants try to join the military. All 3 were Canadians that did not have a valid 551 card. So, the hype of the illegal immigrant using up all the tax money is a farce. Sure there are illegals going to school, but they will not seek other government services because that will get them deported. They take care of their own when it comes to getting treatment or special services.

    The DOE and public schools in the USA just use this propaganda to instill hate and excitment to divert their teaching failures on another excuse for more tax money. That's it, and that's what it will alway be. Other countries that have surpassed the USA in science, math, and technology, teach more kids in a class, do it for 10-20 times less than what the taxpayer pays for, and has a better outcome.

    So, I would rather the DOE public schools and their unions come up with solutions to make kids in the USA smarter and not have an excuse why they cant do it. Any foolish monkey can point out the simple problems of what is wrong. But to have a plan and solutions are more important.

    In fact it costs the taxpayer over $23,000 to deport one illegal, not to mention the time and energy and cost of courts and law enforcement. And the thing is, that same illegal will be back in a few months. So deporting all the 13 million illegal immigranst will not save any tax money it will cost more.

    ICE has more productive things to do rather than go after a illegal farm worker who is helping the economy doing a job an American is not qulalified to do. ICE could be spending their time tracking down the criminal element and gang bangers of the drug cartels and putting them in prison. With a good procecutor they will not be repeat offenders and the cost should be a one time thing. No revolving door for those lunk heads.
     
  22. Albert Di Salvo

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    Let's assume what you've posted is true. None of that matters. Crossing the border illegally will never ever be accepted. If Mexicans and Central Americans come here legally and jump into the melting pot everything is fine.

    The status of illegality is like Original Sin with one exception. There is no such thing as Baptism.
     
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    Mexicans are the majority of illegals in the US, of which the majority are farm workers. To say that Mexicans take away jobs that "lazy" Americans won't do isn't true. The government gives farmers a pass on hiring illegals because they don't have to pay them the mandated minimum hourly wage and don't have to provide benefits, pay insurance, on top of which the farmers receive subsidies from the government.

    Unlike children born to citizens, children born to illlegals, who are immediately citizens, qualify for welfare benefits because they are unable to provide for themselves, so the government has an obligation to provide for them, as citizens, so they become welfare recipients as infants and the government provides for them issuing checks for housing, medical, food, which goes into the pockets of illegals. The more children illegals have, the more money they receive from the government.

    If farmers hired citizens they would be obligated, under law, to pay the minimum hourly wage, provide basic benefits, some of which they would have to pay. So should Mexicans, and other illegals, be given back-door amnesty as Obomba would like to do - ignoring immigration laws in place and bypassing Congress - they would be entitled to what the law mandates with regard to employment, move on from the farms/factories because farmers/factories will continue to get a pass, only to be replaced by a new wave of illegals - and the cycle continues. And since they don't have any skills or are uneducated where do they move on to? Welfare.

    The government should stop aiding and abetting illegal immigration by giving passes to farmers and others who hire illegals.

    One poster stated illegals pay taxes. Well the fact is, the number of those that do is very small and what they pay is a pittance compared to the average American, and they probably get a tax return on top of it.

    For the poster who is of the opinion that young Americans are lazy, spoiled and rely on their parents to provide everything for them, clearly you need an education. There are parents who do help their kids with higher education, and many, many of those kids take out student loans, graduate and find there are no jobs out there for them and they are saddled with paying back those loans while unemployed. There are also those who want a higher education, but the fact is, it is out of reach to them - either the family doesn't have the money and/or they can't get the loans.

    To think that making illegals legal will generate revenue is a joke. The money will continue to flow out to their home countries while they enjoy the benefits of being a US citizen.
     
  24. Clint Torres

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    The core of the issue of your concern about immigrant farm workers is true, but your assumption that illegals have somehow flooded the job market is false. If you look at the real cause of the porblem it is not the government regulations or the government's position on illegals, it is in the intrest of the corporations in agriculture who crafted the laws and deregulations of immigant farm workers in the USA. If you look at the 3 major corporations that manufacture the food for the USA you will find that most of the workers are from South America and are on temporary work visas, Hence, not illegal. These workers assume the jobs that are factory jobs that pay $12 per hour, because they do not get healthcare (government or otherwise), nor do they get 401K or vacation. So, they do not eat any of your tax dollors, In fact they pay taxes for the unemployed workers of the State they work in. When their visas run out, the are recycled through the system and because of their skill they often come back to work at the same factory.

    The core issue of this thread is the assumption that illegal or immigrants eat up all the tax money is without merit. It is nothing more than an excuse for the American Public Shcools system to cast blame and excuse for their failures. And what is more of a concern to me is, that these failing US schools have no ability to see that their propaganda is just covering up the real issue of why they need to consume over 65% of a States tax revenue and still fail.

    Let's just say they kicked out all the immigrants out of public school, and you payed over 75% of your taxes for the same outcome of failure, you would be worst off because the schools would have the same problems of failure and they would be blaming it on something else that is convenient when the economy is bad and people are more frustrated with the schools performance.

    They wanted smaller classess, you paid for it. They wanted more pay you paid for it. They wanted more teachers and you paid for it. They wanted more special ED programs, you paid for it. They wanted more schools, you paid for it. They wanted more testing, you paid for it. They wanted more vacation and retirement pay, you paid for it. These are the things you paid for over the past 12 years. There is always a reason the Government employee Union (AKA public union), the union you the taxpayer pays for, wants more members andmore money. That is there job, and they are the biggest Unions in the USA, and you paid for it.

    So, because this system continues to suck off you taxpayers, it will soon destroy the State and Country you live in. It ain't the immigrant you need to fear, it't the power of the public schools system and their massive union. They are a threat to national security, and people don't even want to know about how it's destroying the USA.
     
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    Americans have become privilaged in the past 20 years, about 2 generations of fat and lazy people have become the ideal consumers. There are jobs out there, and American are to proud to rely get a job. Fact is, anyone with the brains can get into college. If they can't afford it they do not deserve to go to college. If they need to take out a loan, they do not deserve to go to college. Fools think that college is an entitlement. But it's not, If any man or woman is of his or her worth, they will take any job to earn the money for college. And those are the ones that will succeed in life, because they worked ther butts of for their education.

    If one has a goal to succeed, they will do it under any condition. Only a loser will mooch off their parents, borrow money, and lie cheat and steal. 20 years ago, people actually worked to raise money for themselves to get a higher ecucation. Why?, because they lived within their means. They did not fall prey to the banks and ads that too often cosume the simple fat and lazy American of today. After one generaton of dumbed up consumers, they believe that college is a entitlement, and that once they complete college, a job is an entitlement too. Foolish people will continue to be losers and lay back and wait for opportunity to come knocking.

    Fact is, Smart empolyers will look at work history and will pass on the educated fools who have not proven themselves with a creditable work history or volunteer history. Only a fool would think a letter of recommendation from a teacher or friend is worth anything. Employers want work history to show that they will not be scammed into a litigious employee with workmand comp issues or other lawsuits. Any job seeker with over 1 year of no employment is always a questionalbe felon. 6 months is a questionable misdermenor.

    Understand that Tax funded universities are a corporate enterprise also, they are there for the money, and will take in any fool who can borrow big fat money to get an education. Those with big loans are like suckers walking into a candy store. A mark of easy money if you will.
     

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