Illinois teen arrested in fatal shooting at Kenosha protest, police say

I don't think it's a "high-powered" round either, but I will note that it was enough to kill outright Rosenbaum and Huber. Center-of-mass hits with almost any rifle round are going to be deadly in many cases.

 

what day was rottenhouse made a law enforcement officer??
he was not qualified to be carrying a weapon
he should have stayed home and kept himself safe
how many other 17 year old kids felt the need to arm themselves and patrol the streets??
he was looking for trouble plain and simple

 

His trial will concern itself with Kyle's legal obligations, not the things that you (or I) might consider prudent or wise. He was NOT legally obligated to stay home, or stay in Illinois, or allow the mob to beat him to death.

 

if that where true then he would of never tried running away and way more people would be dead.. again maybe actually look into what happened so your not commenting from a place of ignorance

 

He's actually one of the most amazing marksmen under pressure I have ever seen. He used few shots that were controlled and precise.

Kid is amazing

 

after reading this thread I have been convinced rittenhouse is a hero and should receive some type of medal and reward for killing 2 and injuring another on the streets of kenosha

NOT...

rottenhouse is a mentally deranged teenager that took the law into his own hands

the defense he will use is laid out in this thread

none of these excuses changes exactly what happened

A 17 year old kid went to a city 21 miles from his home and killed 2 and injured another

the defense cannot change the results

his defense may even be temporary insanity..

think about it..his actions were crazy

the parents should be charged being an accessory to murder if they allowed him to leave the house with a loaded AR15

again

list all the excuses possible

excuses to not change the below facts

a 17 year old kid went 21 miles to a town where there was rioting and looting and burning

he took with him an AR15 rifle and killed 2 and injured 1

the rioters and looters do not deserve the death sentence carried out by a vigilante

rittenhouse deserves a fair trial despite the people he killed do not have that option

this is why the USA is a country of laws

if rottenhouse is found guilty or not, the decision it will be made by a jury of the people

not some right wing gun nuts

 

Everything you just posted was either wrong, irrelevant, obvious, or stupid.

You should make an effort to understand the basic facts of this case before you continue to further embarrass yourself.

 

You mean he went to his job in Kenosha and then decided to clean up graffiti after work and then stay to help protect a business?
you would know this if you actually did a little reading about what happened

he didnt leave the house with any gun.. No gun crossed state lines..
you would know this if you actually did a little reading about what happened

yes they did. If you attack someone with a gun then you deserve what happens when that person protects themselves, I mean how stupid do you have to be to think that physically attacking someone with an AR15 is not going to end in you getting shot?
Kyle being there did not force anyone to attack him.. that was the choice of the rioters.. and they made a bad choice.

yes they will decide based on knowing what actually happened that night, unlike you who likes to make arguments from a place of ignorance. Maybe do a little research so your comments dont look so foolish?

 

Now we find what your real objection is, you are just anti-2nd Amendment.

 

Thanks for proving you don't know an armed citizen from the police. Did Kyle try and arrest anyone for lighting fires? The law clearly states you can protect your property or others.

 

No. It isn't. Do you plan on reading the law any time soon or will these outbursts continue?

 

I don't believe you've read this thread or any substantial portion of it. There's no way that a thinking person could read it and display the sort of ignorance manifest in your posts.

 

and you are not reading my posts...

let me repeat what i have said ..



list all the excuses possible

excuses do not change the below facts

a 17 year old kid went 21 miles to a town where there was rioting and looting and burning

he took with him an AR15 rifle and killed 2 and injured 1

the rioters and looters do not deserve the death sentence carried out by a vigilante

rittenhouse deserves a fair trial despite the people he killed do not have that option

this is why the USA is a country of laws

if rottenhouse is found guilty or not, the decision it will be made by a jury of the people

 

Rittenhouse's parents are exposed to civil liability for accidental death and injuries to certain persons because of Rittenhouse's actions since Rittenhouse was a minor at the time of the shootings.

However to be culpable legally for any criminal actions he engaged in, his parentsit would have to be shown to have condoned, approved, encouragedhim to go across the border with a weapon, or in the alternative, knew he had a weapon and was going to the event to engage in law enforcement and made no effort to stop him or warn police what he was about to do.

Of course they will argue they had no idea their boy would do such a thing.

 

Your argument is legally correct. His being guilty of misdemeanors for being armed with and/or transporting a weapon do NOT preclude his ability to argue self defense on murder charges. They are not included offenses. That means their findings are not dependent on the exact same issues and so can have distinct defenses not related to one another.

Your other example is technically correct because if he shouted out what he did that is evidence of the intent to commit a federal hate crime.

Interestingly neither the prosecutor nor bystanders have raised the issue of hate motivated crime.Whether the prosecutor tries to show his intent to murder by presenting previous statements or actions before the shooting or shortly thereafter it, remains to be seen.

 

You dont have to repeat what you said. We all know what you said. What you said is 100% WRONG.

I even quoted you and corrected all the things you got wrong and you are still repeating the same thing? its literally a few posts up.. my god do some reading and educate yourself on the events

 

you can reply to this post and have the last word

fact 1..Rittenhouse killed 2 and injured one with a high powered rifle

fact 2, Rittenhouse was 17 years old at the time of the murders and had no official training for riot control

fact 3. rittenhouse was and is not a resident of Kenosha or Wisconsin

fact 4. the USA is a country of laws and vigilante justice is not publicly acceptable ..

fact 5. Rittenhouse has been charged with crimes and he will defend his actions in a UNITED STATES courtroom

fact 6. any excuses made for Rittenhouse do not negate the above 5 facts

whatever happens to rittenhouse will not be decidedd on a internet message board

but as a father, gun owner and proud american I pray justice is served in the rittenhouse trial

 

those are not all facts, some of the things you said are merely conjecture. What you have are 2 facts and a bunch of hand wringing.

 

Fact is you left out all the factual information on why this happened.

Fact - Rittenhouse used a fire extinguisher to put out an attempted arson.
Fact - the Pedophile that tried to start the fire lunged at Rittenhouse and Rittenhouse "juked" him and ran away
Fact - the Pedophile chased him down.
Fact - another one of the rioters shot a gun at Rittenhouse (although it might of been in the air)
Fact - Rittenhouse stopped running after the gun shot and turned around with his gun pointed at the ground
Fact - the Pedophile attacked Kyle and tried to grab his gun.. and then got shot
Fact - a mob started coming after Kyle and he ran away.
Fact - the mob was screaming to "cranium him" which is slang for murder him
Fact - as he was running away towards the police, he was struck in the back of the head by one of the mob
Fact - a second later he fell to the ground and an unknown black guy tried to curb stomp him and he got shot at and missed..


Fact - he got attacked by another guy who hit him in the head with a skateboard and tried to grab his gun, and he got shot and died.


Fact - a 3rd attacker came up with a gun in his hand but had his hands up and DID NOT get shot UNTIL he lunged at him and got shot in the arm..



So your "facts" are really lacking in the "fact" department, If only you did a little reading first..

Fact - that is not a reason legal or otherwise for not being able to protect yourself from attacking pedophiles or mobs trying to murder you

Fact- WI is still part of the US and there is no legal argument that a person from IL can not get a job in WI or even travel to WI for whatever reason he wants. Crossing state lines is not a thing here in the US..

Fact - the judge in the pre trial commented that Kenosha was Lawless that night and that is to be taken in consideration

Look at this! an actual fact, of course no one was arguing against this but well done either way

Yeah except for the fact that you forgot to post the relevant "facts" of what happened..

 

There was another pre-trial hearing in Rittenhouse's case (a Daubert hearing on the defense's use-of-force expert witness) a week ago:





The state argued that the court should not admit any expert testimony. The judge disagreed. He also ripped on the defense for being tardy in disclosing their own expert witness.

Regarding the firearm possession charge, the judge "denied ... for now" the motion to drop the charge, but made the point that the if judges were spending hours to understand the statute, it's likely unconstitutional for vagueness, and that he'd keep looking into the statute and its legislative history.

You can listen to the videos yourself if you're interested.

 

Fact - the nazi pointed his gun to the pedophile. That is assault
And then the pedophile lunged at the nazi in self defense.

 

Fact - pointing a gun at someone is NOT assault if you are acting in self defense here is the actual facts (the law)

939.48  Self-defense and defense of others.
(1) a person is privileged to point a gun at another person in self-defense if the person reasonably believes that the threat of force is necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference. State v. Watkins,

Fact- the pedophile can NOT claim self defense when he is the attacking person. here is the actual facts (the law)

939.48  Self-defense and defense of others.
(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack,

Next time you want to post "facts" make sure your post actually has some legal facts in it rather then your biased opinion

 

Being scared does not constitute to having a right to defend yourself and so pointing a gun.
There was a infamous layer and his wife (or were they both lawyers) who both pointed their guns to a BLM passing by their house.
They got convicted.

You simply can not go pointing guns at people, and claim your defending yourself.
You might think you are, but you simply are assaulting others.
And I seriously doubt that chasing somebody can be legally defined as attacking.


Do note. The nazi stopped running, when he heard gun shots.
That is a nazi indeed having a genuine fear of being assaulted and so thats when he has a right to self defense.
The nazi unfortunately pointed his gun at the wrong person who did not shoot / wasn't part of the shooting.
That's the nazi assaulting a person, in this case a pedophile who then has the right to self defense.

 

You don't even know the facts of the case. Why are you commenting? The proof that you don't know the facts of the case is that Rittenhouse did not leave his family home with a gun. That gun was already in Kenosha. That's where it had been stored long before this riot (it belonged to a friend). LINK: Kyle Rittenhouse cleared of gun charges in Illinois: 'Gun never left the state of Wisconsin' (msn.com) Additionally (per the previously link) Rittenhouse was asked by the owner of a local business to help defend his business.

Btw, for all you know that jury may be filled with "right wing gun nuts". You don't know.

 

Wife plead guilty to a class A misdemeanor of harassment and Mark McCloskey plead guilty to a class C misdemeanor of assault in the fourth degree. Neither one of those will even get their guns taken away. They were fined a combined total of $2,750 and that was it. Didn't even get jail time.

Chasing someone with the intent to cause harm is indeed considered assault and is a valid reason to defend yourself.

Godwins law FTW!