I'm a progressive I'm also pro life, abortion rights are doomed, give up the fight.

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Sackeshi, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. Ritter

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    They don't. They are based on extensive research and government data.
     
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    YOU have NO moral obligation to have anything to do with other people's sexual habits !

    You seem fine with teling them what to do with their sexual habits but WHOA MOMMA sure don't want to put out any money where your MOUTH is....TYPICAL..




    Do you ever stop and think what a silly thing that is to say?

    Do you actually think that humans will stop doing what they have done for thousands and thousands of years, what they are programmed for, because of your OPINION ? Hilarious..





    Uh, it was YOU who insists no one have sex without birth control... unless righties are hypocrites who don't want to put money where their mouth is ….??????
     
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    Ironic that you accuse others of hypocrisy while engaging in it yourself by refusing to provide the most effective means of contraceptive yet devised that will EFFECTIVELY REDUCE abortions by 40%.
     
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    Jack's and Jill's respective sex lives is none of my concern and this none of my financial responsibility.Birth control is as much of a right as any other product - If you want cake, you cannot force your neighbour to pay for it at gun point. If you want birth contol, you canno point a gun at the entire nation and ask them to hand you the money to pay for it. There is a word for that and that word is theft.


    Where did I say or demand people to stop engaging in reproduction or sexual intercourse?

    I do not see how it is hypocricy for someone who opposes all taxation to also being against being forced to pay for someone else's birth control. That iis what is called consistency. However, what is hypocritical is claiming to be pro-tax funded birth control, but then saying that you are not willing to fund it voluntarily.
     
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    Lack of subject matter knowledge duly noted for the record.
     
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    I am not against research, I am not against contraceptives, I am not against abortion, I am not against sex, I am not against people funding other people's abortions and I am not against handing out contraceptives to teenagers - I am against being forced to pay for these things and I really do not see how that is hypocritical in any sjhape or form.
     
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    In which case provide the original peer reviewed scientific research and government data instead of biased sources that lack credibility.
     
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    :) I gave him some info on Hippocrates like what he did and date of birth, I didn't get a reply ;)
     
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    It is hypocritical to DEMAND that others MUST live by your personal "morality" without providing any means for them to do so.

    In essence you are arbitrarily DICTATING a "moral code" that is UNENFORCEABLE because you are not interested in actually ensuring that it can happen in REALITY.
     
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    Now, hang on! Please provide to me the exact citation where I have ever demanded anyone to live by my moral standards. And, please, also explain to me how supporting one idea means I have an obligation to pay so that someone else can benefit from it. I like ice cream, is it hyporcritical for me not to give my neighbour some money so they can can enjoy ice cream too? You have a messed up world view, Deo.

    All ideas are unenforceable.
     
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    Then why all the posts on what others should do?

    So money is your only concern. Then why all that other stuff about how wrong people who have sex and get pregnant are?


    Several places. Post 329 : In my opinion, people who cannot even afford a condom should not even have sex.



    No, what's hypocritical is talking about how wrong it is to have sex and get pregnant but not want to do anything about it if it's from your pocketbook.
     
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    Rape and slavery are wrong but the reason THEY were made illegal was because they caused chaos in society if not controlled.

    Abortion does NOT cause chaos..
     
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    My position is not one that demands an illegalisation of abortion, so I really do not see how this comparison holds anything at all against me.
     
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    Yes, and your posts get responded to....you should know how it works by now..and your discussing it isn't what we're discussing, it's what you POST that's being discussed.


    AND I DO report name calling so please don't do it.
    ""and this none of my financial responsibility.Birth control is as much of a right as any other product - If you want cake, you cannot force your neighbour to pay for it at gun point. If you want birth contol, you canno point a gun at the entire nation and ask them to hand you the money to pay for it. There is a word for that and that word is theft."""

    See, :), it always devolves into that as righties find they have no real argument...you are right on schedule.

    It was added later:
    Post 329 :"" In my opinion, people who cannot even afford a condom should not even have sex.""




    I am not your "little darling" and will report any more name calling.

    And I am sure this is true: "I am not having sex with women..."I do not know and whom I would be ashamed to father a child with"


    Bravo for you...…...now why be concerned with other's sex life if yours is so great ??
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Rape and slavery are wrong but the reason THEY were made illegal was because they caused chaos in society if not controlled.

    Abortion does NOT cause chaos..



    UH, aren't you the same Ritter who posted:

    """""""""Ritter said:
    Just because something has "existed all throughout history", does not mean it is right. Rape has existed "all throughout history" and so was the case for slavery until the West decided to ban it.
    Of course, both rape and slavery is wrong"""


    Then I responded so WTF are you talking about?
     
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    And....do not force your opinions onto others?.....I find many things undesirable, that does no make them wrong. Likely you find God to be right yet I find the very idea undesirable, don't even get me started on Trump.
     
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    I haven't resorted to name-calling and I am glad that you actually do seem to understand how a discussion board works.

    I ask you again, where did I say "money is my only concern"?

    I ask you again, where did I ask people to stop engaging in sexual intercourse?


    Whatever.

    Are you saying I am not allowed to have an opinion?
     
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    I have no idea why you would assume I think God is right. That is kind of prejudiced. I am an atheist and therefore it is undesireble for me to go to church which is why it would also be wrong, both from an ethical point of view that tells I should not force myself onto other people's community and also from a perspective of time investment; I have things I consider way more important than going to church and not investing in these would be wrong.

    It is undesireble to break your arm and thus climbing up the tree top to then jump down, arm first is wrong. It is undesireble to have an unhappy child and thus abusing them is wrong. It is undesireble to be poor and thus, investing all you savings on Chicken McNuggets is wrong. This logic even applies on the individual, subjective level; It is undesireble for me to be a father at this point in life and because of that it be wrong if I impregnanted a woman. It is undesrieble for me not to invest in glasses due to my poor eye sight and not putting aside money to visit the optometrist would be wrong.

    What is undesireble is also wrong.
     
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    "Little honey" and "little darling" are name calling.

    It usually happens when a poster is frustrated/stymied/proven wrong and feels that patronizing the other poster makes a point.

    It does but not the one they were hoping for. ;)

    Of course you're allowed to have an opinion and others are allowed to show how wrong it is. :)
     
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    Okay....I find telling a stranger what to do with their life and body to be wrong AND undesirable...apparently you do not. You do not wish to force yourself onto a Church community yet you DO WANT to force your opinion onto a womans right to choose an abortion. Why is this?
     
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    How am I forcing myself onto a woman's right to choose an abortion? Have I asked for abortion to be illegal? Have I said women do not own their own bodies? Have I ever said that women must do exactly what I say?
     
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    Apparently I have misunderstood your position on this as I had assumed you were Pro-life...my apology.
     
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    You have actually engaged in extensive debate with me without even reading the arguments I present and instead just base your understanding of my position on what you assume? Wow.
     
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    Here are your EXACT words;


    What does "MAKE SURE" mean exactly?

    In essence you are DICTATING that women MUST NOT get pregnant so that they won't need an abortion.

    So no amount of equivocating on your part is going to alter that FACT that you are DEMANDING that women MUST adhere to YOUR moral code that you are NOT prepared to fund.
    Spurious ad hom duly noted and ignored for DEROGATORY reasons.
    What a load of bovine excrement. Was the idea of a self governing nation under a federal constitution "unenforceable"? How about the idea of holding someone accountable for committing a crime? Is that "unenforceable too?
     
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