I'm a progressive I'm also pro life, abortion rights are doomed, give up the fight.

Do you think the earth is flat?

 

Nope.

 

Good, now do you believe in any other scientific facts? Like different things have different names.....or do you think every word means the same thing?

 

I believe that biologically that a fetus and baby are the same.

Why do women who are keeping it refer to it as a baby if it's not?

 

Maybe it's a bun

Like a bun in the oven

 

Why? They are different stages of life. Why not call a fetus a teenager, or an adult, or a giraffe, if words have no meaning?

Because they are EXPECTING a baby.

That is called "general usage " when a developing fetus is called a "baby" even though it has not entered the "baby" stage of life.

They have no reason to differentiate between what they have in their body and what they are expecting.


Women do not control scientific terminology or word meanings.

If a woman says a house is an elephant, that doesn't mean it is....

If someone says a fetus is a baby, that doesn't mean(scientifically or legally ) that it is

 

You "forgot" to answer this question:

"""have you ever told a woman that if she becomes pregnant by you, you own her?""

 

I have told them you I am pro life and they didn't care, so there is that.

 

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You "forgot" to answer this question:

"""have you ever told a woman that if she becomes pregnant by you, you own her?""

That wasn't what I asked.

I asked, """have you ever told a woman that if she becomes pregnant by you, you own her?""

Would you tell a woman that FACT?

 

Why would I OWN her? Saying I am pro life lets her know I want to keep the baby and if she does not want to keep a baby she will not have sex with me quite simple.

Unless you used to just go around having sex with prolife men just so you could have the joy of aborting their children just to get a reaction out of them, something you would do tbh.

 

You vwouldn't but from your previous posts explaining how you would FORCE her to have the kid it sounds like you think you own her.

Or she could have sex with you (blech) and just not tell you about her abortion

No, you would impregnate women just to feel the power and control of forcing them to geststate …[/QUOTE]

 

Forcing someone (though legal means) to have my child when they had consensual sex is not owning someone.

So you admitted that you went around having sex with pro life men just so you could abort their children. wow. You are the same person saying women don't like getting abortions and don't take them lightly, but then say that women who don't want kids just go around having sex with men they know are pro life hmmm.

Or I just want a baby?

 

Yes, it is...even if NOW you've added the word "legal" when you didn't use that word before when you were describing how you would shame the woman into having your brat.

No, I never said that and you have NO PROOF I did....but Anti-Choicers seem to have to lie or they have nothing to say at all


You just can't admit that any woman you impregnated could have an abortion without you knowing a thing about it

Then adopt one....or get pregnant and have your own....NOBODY owes YOU a baby...

 

it was always legal unless suicide was threatened then I would make sure she postponed it long enough for my baby to be born then let her do her. Also why such distain for children to use such language

You just said yesterday that most woman consult with the father before aborting. So did you lie?

I mean I will be going into fostercare, the thing that pro choicers want to keep from fixing so that they don't lose the "all these kids still need adoption so abortion is a better option" argument.

 

That IS being involved! It is HIS money!

I think that he should WANT to provide, but I don't think that he should be legally obligated to provide for a child that he did not want. If the mother doesn't think that she can provide enough for the kid on her own, then why would she have it? Probably because they know that the legal system has got their back in forcing the father to pay up, however, I do wonder how many women would proceed with pregnancy if the law didn't enforce child support.

 

Why the hell are you asking my questions to me?

You mean LATE TERM abortion? Yes, imminent death WAS the only way to get a late term abortion before this law.

Sorry, what was defeated?

 

@Sackeshi, is this true? I think that you may be the "imbecile" that he is referring to, as I think that it is just the two of us at the moment who are on the 'other side!'

 

So having a "right to privacy over their body" involves being treated by a medical professional? "The right to privacy over their own body" thing only makes sense in terms of not charging a woman with a criminal offense if she attempts to interfere with her body in order to kill the fetus, which I agree, should not be illegal.

 

So if abortion was not available and the couple gave birth to a kid that they didn't want, you're not saying that the government is responsible for that outcome, are you?

Isn't it financial involvement?

 

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Uh, how would you "make sure" she postponed it? That would require force if she wasn't willing.

I NEVER said that and even if I had and even if women do, that doesn't mean they ALL do.

It's very sexist (ignorant) to think all women do the same thing.

You just don't want to face the FACT that any women you impregnated would NOT have to have your baby

Your desperation is showing.....what a bizarre thing to claim.....and another in a long long list of things you've posted with no proof..


If you need a baby so badly Then adopt one....or get pregnant and have your own....NOBODY owes YOU a baby...

 

It would be "legal" false imprisonment because since you would be doing it to stop someone from killing themselves which is legal. Not a jury in America or Judge would convict someone for stopping a suicide by monitoring someone 24/7 to protect them from self harm.

Oh it was the other "pro choicer" I have faith that any woman I have sex with that finds out she is pregnant would inform me and consult, because unlike you I hold women in higher moral standing and think they are better than just going around aborting babies from knowingly having sex with pro lifers. I would call you sexist but you are a woman so you holding women to be that horrible is not sexist.

Every time I bring up allowing foster parents to adopt 3 children free, or allowing people to go through the fostercare system aka being deemed safe by the state, to adopt children free, they say its an "open door to pedophilia." They never support the most obvious change to get people to adopt. PEOPLE who want to adopt can't AFFORD to adopt this solves this. Why are pro choicer against it? Because with every child in a home, abortion gets seen in a much worse view.

 

Yup , it is!

Even men have to take responsibility for their actions.

And writing a check every month is hardly as involved as the day to day raising of a child....a "man" who sends a check and does nothing else gets off pretty easy.

Ya, but the taxpayers, society, and the courts disagree.

If he didn't want a child he shouldn't have had sex. Because once he had sex it was out of his hands...

The VERY SAME QUESTION I HAVE BEEN ASKING ANTI-CHOICERS FOR YEARS!!!!

ASK THEM !!!!

Why? What difference would it make?

 

What? You don't like being asked questions?

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Show me the law ..

Duh, the law...( the law I'm referring to....who knows what law you're referring to...)

 

Uh, ya, if abortion is banned the government is responsible for all those kids nobody wants..

No, it's writing a check.....if you think THAT'S involvement in child rearing you are wrong and in for a big shock if you ever have kids

 

Yet its sexist to say that a woman should take responcibility and have the child that she does not want. Hmm double standard right?

Same for women, she should keep her legs closed if she does not want a child and a man should keep his pants up if he does not want a child. Simple concept.

Because its called taking responsibility. Who could have guessed that having sex could lead to having a child, shocking. Its not like people in every other first world country know this before middle school.

Some moms might continue just for the check, but no check then they throw the baby in the trash.