I'm re-reading the Bible

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member

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    "16 In the fifth year of JoramB)' data-cr="#cen-NIV-9744B"> son of Ahab king of Israel, when Jehoshaphat was king of Judah, JehoramC)' data-cr="#cen-NIV-9744C"> son of Jehoshaphat began his reign as king of Judah. 17 He was thirty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem eight years. 18 He followed the ways of the kings of Israel, as the house of Ahab had done, for he married a daughterD)' data-cr="#cen-NIV-9746D"> of Ahab. He did evil in the eyes of the Lord. 19 Nevertheless, for the sake of his servant David, the Lord was not willing to destroyE)' data-cr="#cen-NIV-9747E"> Judah. He had promised to maintain a lampF)' data-cr="#cen-NIV-9747F"> for David and his descendants forever."

    Two different people.
     
  2. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Donor

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    Jesus stands at the door and knocks.
     
  3. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am glad that you are reading the Apocrypha as well. There are some statements in the Christian Bible that only make sense when compared with it. .

    Mark 3:4 "And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace."

    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/45002.htm
     
  4. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Compare the relevant verses =

    "JORAM
    Topical Index » Index of J » JORAM
    Results 1-7 of 7

    A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

    Showing results from *
    1. A son of Toi (2 Samuel 8:9,10)
    2. A son of Toi » Called HADORAM (1 Chronicles 18:10)
    3. Also called JEHORAM » King of Israel (1 Kings 1:17;3:1)
    4. Also called JEHORAM » King of Syria sends Naaman to, so that Namaan may be healed of his leprosy (1 Kings 5:1-27)
    5. Also called JEHORAM » Has war with the king of Syria (1 Kings 6:8-23;;8:28,29; 2 Chronicles 22:5,6)
    6. Also called JEHORAM » Inquires for the particulars concerning Elisha's miracles (2 Kings 8:4,5)
    7. Also called JEHORAM » Killed by Jehu (2 Kings 9:14-26)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/topical/Joram/Nave

    "JEHORAM
    Topical Index » Index of J » JEHORAM
    Results 1-10 of 10
    A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

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    1. King of Judah (1 Kings 22:50; 2 Kings 8:16; 1 Chronicles 3:11; 2 Chronicles 21:5)
    2. A priest commissioned to go through Israel and instruct the people in the law (2 Chronicles 17:8)
    3. A son of Ahab » See JORAM
    4. King of Judah » Marries Athaliah, whose wicked counsels influence his reign for evil (2 Kings 8:18,19; 2 Chronicles 21:6-13)
    5. King of Judah » Murders his brothers to strengthen himself in his sovereignty (2 Chronicles 21:4,13)
    6. King of Judah » Edom revolts from (2 Kings 8:20-22; 2 Chronicles 21:8-10)
    7. King of Judah » The Philistines and Arabians invade his territory (2 Chronicles 21:16,17)
    8. King of Judah » Death of (2 Chronicles 21:18-20; 2 Kings 8:24)
    9. King of Judah » Prophecy concerning (2 Chronicles 21:12-15)
    10. King of Judah » Ancestor of Jesus (Matthew 1:8)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/topical/Jehoram/Nave

    Ahab had seventy sons who lived together in Samaria. They were all killed at the same time.

    There seems to be different versions of Joram`s death. You need a supercompiuter to analyze the fairy tale.
     
  5. Greenleft

    Greenleft Well-Known Member

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    Turns out it was NOT a miss-print! It's a blatant contradiction found in many other English translations as well! Some Bibles have those 3 verses as Jehoram while others have it as Joram! That's the beauty of comparing translations on the Internet.

    Now my appreciation for the NIV has greatly increased. Even the KJV got it wrong!
     
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    Meanwhile, my Indonesian Bible says there was no Jehoram but rather two people with the same name: Joram.
     
  7. Greenleft

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    My NRSV Bible has yet again gotten names confused! In 2 Kings chapter 12 we read of the exploits of King Jehoash of Judah. But then in verse 19 his name abruptly changes to King Joash!

    Then in verse 10 on chapter 13 we read of another King Jehoash of this time Israel but then his name changes back to Joash in following verses. But then in verse 25 his name again reverts to Jehoash!

    Just like with Jehoram and Joram in Chapter 8, the names interchange with multiple people with the same name ruling different kingdoms. This is really giving me a headache!

    I realize now that not only the NRSV got it wrong, but other more word for word translations like the KJV Bible and the NASB Bible got this adding on or omitting of the letters E and H confused. Only more thought for thought translations like the NIV Bible and the NLT Bible straightened out the confusion.

    The manuscripts are DEEPLY flawed people!

    I know there is no J in Hebrew, but replacing all the names with the letter J with the letter Y won't help me clear up this adding on or omitting of the following EH.
     
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  8. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Try reading it in the 1535 Coverdale Bible = http://www.bibles-online.net/1535/OldTestament/12-2Kings/ (It was printed long after 1535 because it contains words that did not exist in 1535).
     
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    Interesting that jesus had a twin brother. How did that work.... what with his mom being a virgin and all
     
  10. pol meister

    pol meister Well-Known Member

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    Bit confused on which one you think is correct, but I know the Hebrew script has it "Joram" all three times.
     
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  11. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    What comment is your post directed to?
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Thomas Book: Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus”
     

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