I'm Sadden by Breonna Taylor's Death Too, But I Don't Riot

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  1. stratego

    stratego Well-Known Member

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    I'm sadden by Breonna Taylor' death too, but I don't riot. Destroying someone else's property isn't going to bring her back. I don't protest. Wasting time walking around chanting isn't going to bring her back.

    I'm sadden by Breonna Taylor's death too but I accept it. I'm sadden by Philado Castiles death too, but I accept it. I'm sadden by Tamir Rice's death too, but I accept it. I don't let those events paralyze me. I carry on with my life. I eat breakfast in the morning, I feed my chicken, make sure my kids are doing alright, make sure that my retirement is safe, and I carry on. It's the mark of a civilize person to not create more tragedies because of one tragedy.
     
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    99.99% of Americans didn't riot.
     
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    The riots are ridiculous. The cops had every right to return fire. They (a law in all 50 states) identified themselves as police officers BEFORE the altercation, all of them did, and they were shot at FIRST by the individual next to her. They returned fire.

    Her boyfriend is to blame for the unfortunate death. If the cops are guilty of anything it's HORRIBLE aim. They needed more time on the range, which is clear.

    Her boyfriend caused her death. He literally shot a cop when they were lawfully executing a legal warrant AFTER they had ALL identified themselves as police. Everything was done by the book until an officer was shot. Then obviously return fire is going to happen.
     
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    So don't the overwhelming majority of us
     
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    I also condemn the rioters.
     
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    1. People who break the law should be punished. WE have laws about violence and property destruction enforce those laws on people caught committing crimes and leave peaceful law abiding protesters alone.

    2. If what you say is entirely true we need to rethink stand your ground defense because he claimed he didn't hear any announcement and awoke to the door being breached, was afraid, and was attempting to defend himself. One neighbor said they heard the warning, others said they did not. He is not charged with a crime for his actions.

    3. Neither Breanna Taylor nor her boyfriend had committed a crime, the man they were looking for had not been there for months and was already in jail.

    4. It is unfortunate events like this that lead me to believe that it is in the best interest of the entire country to study police procedures and police training and adjust them to avoid unnecessary confrontation, escalation, and the use of excessive force.

    5. Police officers that make serious mistakes should not be immune for facing consequences for those mistakes. Just as you and I are held responsible for ours.
     
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    So you do not need a new big screen TV from Target for free? I mean riot.
     
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    Your entire post is a "he said she said". You do realize even CNN posted that neighbors heard "POLICE!" multiple times...? Good lord, how many times do we have to repeat ourselves with the left wingers?

    They served a warrant, LEGALLY, signed by a JUDGE. They were then SHOT by someone in the house.

    The officers returned fire.

    To my earlier point, they needed serious aim assistance. If they killed her and not him...that's bad grouping. The police aren't getting charged for murder because she wasn't murdered. She was in a cross fire between her criminal BF and the cops who identified themselves serving a LEGAL warrant issued by a JUDGE.

    LOL Of course he's going to cry "I didn't hear them!". He's a criminal...
     
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    Now if only you could get that message across to these half wits Boogaloo Bois, Identity Evropa, Proud Boys, 3 Percenters, Council of Conservative Citizens, American Freedom Party, Assembly of Christian Soldiers, Vanguard, New Century Foundation, Steve Miller, Tucker Carlson, Storm Front, TownHall, Christian Identity, or the self professed “Leninist” Steve Bannon, National Socialist Party of America, and on and on and on.

    We might actually make some head way.
     
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    1) don't disagree and don't believe anyone has argued differently
    2) I have no problem with him not being charged if that is what happened, and frankly the Govt believes him so...cool, don't charge him. Stand your ground laws really don't matter in this case...the Castle Doctrine would, and it's not going anywhere
    3) That maybe true, but they had a search warrant for the apartment. The ex BF, had actually been seen there recently, leaving with a package. The police believe he was getting drugs shipped to different locations in the area, including Taylor's
    4) I have no problem with more police training, hence why I am opposed to the Biden/Harris and Dem defund/re-route police funds....give it to the police for more training. There was however no excessive force used here...as the GJ found the police were well within their rights to return fire.
    5) agreed, hence why this one officer is charged, and a number are facing charges in MN
     
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    I'm Sadden by Breonna Taylor's Death Too, But I Don't Riot

    Neither do 99% of the protesters.
     
  12. Sirius Black

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    I think we essentially agree. I am in favor of using some police money to try to improve police training and perhaps procedures. I don't even disagree with the charges (of the policemen) in the above case(s) because that is what the law says. I do feel that the law and the procedure need to be looked at to see if there are ways this type of thing can be avoided. The police had bad information, the police did not have to force their in, the people inside weren't going anywhere...perhaps further communication would have been more prudent than force, perhaps that would have kept an officer from being wounded.I am opposed to police using deadly force when absolutely necessary, but it should not be used when it can be avoided. I also have a problem with the argument used by many that the perp was a criminal and deserved to die, that obviously doesn't apply here.
     
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    This is what makes the difference. It's not good enough to just not riot or even protest, everyone needs to be vocal about condemning the riots and protests. People seem to have a difficult time doing that if they are politically aligned with those "protesting". IMO the responsibility of any damage that happens as a result of any protest, should be charged to the person or group who organized the protest.
    If you break into a house with somebody, and the person you were with decides to kill the home owner, you would get charged with murder as well. Guilt by association. That's the way protests should work. Any property damage or loss of life should be the responsibility of the event organizers
     
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    Ah nope her death was caused by the cop who shot her.
     
  15. Sirius Black

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    So if I understand you your argument is I am a left winger and therefore my opinion must be wrong. Well aside from "he said she said" I did include a few facts: Some neighbors said they did not hear a police warning at least one said he/she did. The warrant was inaccurate, a mistake, because the person they were looking for didn't reside there and hadn't been there. The man said he did not hear a warning, that is a fact. The man was not a criminal and had no warrants. I did not say that what happened was not legal. I said it was wrong. What would have happened if the police had not gone through the door and instead had spent more time trying to communicate before escalating? If everyone had had a clear understanding of the situation perhaps an officer would not have been wounded and a woman would not have been killed.
    My argument is that what happened may be legal, but it was unnecessary.
     
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    Wow, this is pathetic.

    You are directing your aim at the wrong person. Who shot at police before they shot at anyone in the apartment? Did the police just come in shooting? Nope.

    The shooting in retaliation by police was 100 percent necessary. What are they going to do? Just stand in the doorway and keep getting shot?

    Dude- your thought process is sickening.
     
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    https://reason.com/2020/09/24/the-l...hibition-transforms-murder-into-self-defense/

    ^ its a few more than "some neighbors". 1 WITNESS, singular, says he heard someone say police one time. 11 other witnesses, plural, say they did not hear such an announcement before the deluge of gun fire took place.
     
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    Which has to do with exactly what? As it happens most Americans are civilized. Which means most of understand the reality that Breona Taylor's death was a tradgedy of the first water, good woman taken from us way to soon however most of us also realize based on the evidence that the cops knocked and identified, and the boy friend shot at them wounding one if the cops. That is why Breona Taylor died. Her Boyfriend failed to follow the first rule of the shooters Bible identify your target. The result was Breona's death.
     
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    When two or more are involved in a crime, they are each charged for the actions of the group. Protesters are exercising their constitutional rights. Your analogy doesn't hold.
     
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    Burning down businesses isnt a constitutional right. Blocking traffic is not a constructional right. Fail
     
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    Protesting is a constitutional right. Arson is a crime. Two very different things, doncha think?
     
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    Yea... I’m sure you are.

    The way Susan Collins is “concerned” and then votes with Trump every time
     
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    Not if people are using your protest as a cover to commit those crimes
     
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    So, if you are peacefully protesting, and I set your car on fire, you are guilty of rioting? Bad analogy. Give it up.
     
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    I did notice you didn't respond to my suggestion of what might have been a safer approach.

    If you find that sickening I hope you still have health insurance and that they don't find my thought process a preexisting condition.
     
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