Immigrant advocate killed in crash with Salvadoran who sought sanctuary in Colorado Springs church

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    The family should sue the church and the State of Colorado.
     
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  2. After-Hour Prowler

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    If he has been deported the family would still be alive.

    If a police officer releases a illegal before ICE can pick him up. They should be charged as an accessory to murder if they kill anyone.
     
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    Nobody outside of an incredibly small number of accelerationists on the left and right celebrate mass shootings.
     
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    What’s sad is that many of you are so quick to condemn someone for an accident because an illegal immigrant (I’m anti illegal before we go down that road) was involved while excusing the planned out mass shootings through “thoughts and prayers”, blaming video games, blaming not enough guns or ignoring it completely.

    Actually it’s not sad — it’s pathetic, disgusting and immoral.

    And no, I do not care about black on black murders as they largely keep it in their own neighborhoods and is mostly gang violence against other gang members. We need less criminals on the street and them removing one another should be rejoiced.
     
  5. JakeStarkey

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    Gang violence of black against black is terrible, and domestic terrorism is worse.
     
  6. PrincipleInvestment

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    US violent crime statistics prove the exact opposite is true. Battles for gangland supremacy costst the lives of thousands every year.
     
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  7. JakeStarkey

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    We are talking about what is happening, not the current cost in lives, which is directly attributable to the far right's love affair with guns.

    As bad as gangster violence is, domestic terrorism in killing people for what they are is worse.
     
  8. PrincipleInvestment

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    What is happening is that you and several other posters are making false claims. Domestic terrorism represents an insignificant % of deadly crime. The statistics speak for themselves. More lives are lost to domestic spousal abuse than domestic terrorism. You're intentionally misrepresenting the threat of terrorism to promote an agenda, and demonize your political opposition. Fear mongering is exactly what America doesn't need.
     
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    The claims are false that are made by the counter posters frm the far right.

    Domestic Terrorism as a tactic is far more dangerous the run of the mill gangster criminality.

    That will never change.
     
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    Yeah.

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    Would have been roughly 4999 if this guy wasn't in the country.
     
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    Except for the fact that most of the victims of gang violence are innocent people.
     
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  13. JakeStarkey

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    :) Hit a nerve? I answered the comments competently, and they cannot be contradicted sensibly or with evidence. Domestic terrorism threatens the country, whereas gangster killings threaten the local community. That the far right won't see the difference speaks to their ultimate goal: destabilize the country for a far right take over.
     
  14. PrincipleInvestment

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    "Hit a nerve"? :roflol: You're too "nervous to hit" the reply tab. You haven't answered anything ... you keep repeating what you can't establish "competently". Post the stats on the deadliest year for domestic terrorism ... and I'll post the contrasting FBI stats for gang killings that year. My ultimate goal is to reduce and prevent as much violent crime as possible, without punishing legal and responsible gun owners. You're fear mongering to advance your agenda and smear your political opponents.
     
  15. JakeStarkey

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    I am waiting for your argument to make sense. You have not done that. You keep repeating domestic terrorism and gangster violence are not different without convincingly explaining why. Why will you not do that? The 'fear mongering' is by you to advance your agenda. Trump et al smear themselves; they don't need help.
     
  16. PrincipleInvestment

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    You're spinning Jake. Deadliest year for domestic terrorism. Which year did white supremacists kill the most people? Give me a number and name your source. I'm not hesitant, or being coy about outing you as a pathological :censored: Terrorism and gangland killings are different. Gangland killings acount for 1000's of deaths every year, domestic terrorism fewer than 100. Gangland killings are a pervasive epidemic, domestic terrorism isn't. If we don't have any reason to be alarmed by 1000's of gang murders, why worry about domestic terrorism? You're reasons are obvious. Gun control, scapegoat the GOP.
     
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  17. JakeStarkey

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    I am pointing your spin, PI. Your questions make no sense until you put them into context.

    Resign being modest and place them in context.
     
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  18. PrincipleInvestment

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    Check what I added to my last reply. And feel free to quote whatever I've spun. You've been dodging me for 2 days, and we both know why. The fear monger is afraid ... :lol: How pathetic is that!
     
  19. JakeStarkey

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    Nothing you added changes your spin. The facts: (1) Trump must apologize for and change his talk; (2) domestic terrorism is real and very dangerous.

    The dodging has been by you, and now you are corned. All know it and why: you can't defend your position.
     
  20. PrincipleInvestment

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    I want to know exactly how dangerous domestic terrorism is and why the fewer than 100 killings a year should be prioritized over the 1000's committed by gangsters. I wan't to know why the cities with the strictest gun laws post the highest % of those 1000's of gangland murders. I've told you 3 times that fewer than 100 victims have been killed by domestic terrorists in any year post 9 / 11. I'm not spinning, and you've painted yourself into a corner by claiming the threat of domestic terrorism is greater than the threat of gang violence. You have 3 reasons for ignoring gangland murder. 1) DNC cities are home to them. 2) Gun control hasn't worked 3) gangland murders are committed by minorities
     
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    You have to admit, this is a tragedy chock full of irony.
     
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    Its sad that you consider the loss of life palatable based on the motive. Is the victim less dead or the families grief less painful? Tolerating murder when the killer is not white or a gun is not used is the same as condoning it. Based on the loss of life, gang violence is much worse in spite of strict gun control in the worst areas.
     
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    It's foolish to not examine motive for mass killings.
     
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    They didn't care about Kate steinle so why would they care about this?
     
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    That is a non-answer, Darth.
     

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