Immigrant advocate killed in crash with Salvadoran who sought sanctuary in Colorado Springs church

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  1. BringDownMugabe

    BringDownMugabe Well-Known Member

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    Care to prove the immigrant's intent? Or was this another attempt to regurgitate your narrative? Of course, this narrative still doesn't address the initial fallacy that was made which equates one's immigration status has a bearing on the occurrence of an auto accident.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, you, since most of them are taken from countries with high crime and zero records to check which aren't maintained by the violent 3rd world countries they come from.

    I suppose you're suggesting that the NY truck attacker and the San Bernadino terrorist's wife were vetted.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Donor

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    Only if we ignore the fatal consequences of his own immigration advocacy.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't have to prove anything. His criminal history and driving with a revoked license because of a DUI is all the evidence needed.

    Yeah. A illegal alien who drove drunk after having his license revoked has no bearing.

    You go with that.
     
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    Nope. Though I understand the need to resort to such desperate misrepresentations, even when they are directly contradicted by actual quotes. When truth gets in the way, just make **** up.

    Stick with me here: country with high crime rate =/= everyone in it is a criminal. I know, mind blowing. Total rocket science. It is almost as if we should be individualists instead of collectivists (controversial on the fringe right, but still something we should consider). Also, you are shifting goalposts. One minute you are talking about background checks and the next you want to deny people entry even if they pass a background check. Astounding.

    Probably as much as we can vet. Unless you want to deny people entry even if they pass every possible check. In which case, it isn't about checks anymore. Are you suggesting every mass shooter in the US who legally bought a firearm was vetted? (Hint: yes. As much as we vet anyone else. I know this is mind-blowing, but it turns out hindsight isn't a real background check).
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every lefty in this forum is defending this illegal alien. Have you missed the underlying narrative of "it was just an accident" and "but Americans kill people too"?

    Point to a lefty on here who has said he should have been deported after his first crime, his second, his third.....or now.

    I'm pretty sure that endangerment of a child, domestic violence, DUI, and driving again drunk aren't silly laws.

    The left never met a criminal illegal alien they didn't seek to protect.
     
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    More lack of critical thinking. Amazing.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for admitting your inability to substantiate your "case." Beautiful.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How about you focus on in the 2nd part of that, which is that they come from countries with high crime rates and the part where they can't be vetted from the country they come from.

    And yes, we should deny all people from countries we can't adequately vet.

    I'm sure you'd do that for people you let into your own home.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Donor

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    More ignoring the fatal consequences of his own immigration advocacy. Typical.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for admitting you have no examples to refute it with.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Lol, no. I asked you for examples. You had none. So you tried desperately asking me for examples instead in hopes I would forget that I asked you for examples. Except when you (apparently deliberately, unfortunately) misrepresented my posts.

    Thanks for admitting you have no examples to refute it with.
     
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    Same logic as saying gun advocacy causes all firearm accidents. Complete nonsense.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh I thought that was a rhetorical question.

    You're seriously asking me to show you leftists defending criminal illegal aliens?

    Do you watch the news at all?

    As I said, not a single leftist in this thread has suggested that illegal aliens should be deported.

    Judges are sneaking illegals out of courthouses. Leftists are shooting at ICE detention centers. Steinle's shooter was absolved by leftists in CA.

    Muh Sanctuary City doesn't defend illegal immigration. Whatever.

    You can stick your head in the sand and deny reality if you want.
     
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    Again conflating a legal act with an illegal one.
     
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    Nonsense, if we had secure borders the victim would be alive.
     
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    He was driving on a revoked license, that's all I need to know.
     
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    He wasn't an immigrant.

    An immigrant has permission to be here.
     
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    Then you haven’t listened to the words of most Dem candidates. Not surprised you're AGAIN arguing from a position of total ignorance.

    Decriminalizing illegal Immigration. Free healthcare for illegals. Drivers licenses for illegals. Not alerting ICE to illegals activity. Wanting to eliminate ICE completely. Continued support for anchor baby laws. Obstructing nearly every time immigration laws are enforced. Lying about the situation on the border. Cutting funding for border enforcement. Calling those who support border enforcement racists.

    Seriously, just because one doesn't say “I’m for open borders” doesn’t mean you aren’t. Actions and words indicate many Democrats want our borders to be meaningless and citizenship to be handed out like candy.

    But please. Keep denying reality and ignore what people say and do.

    It’s like pointing a loaded gun at someone while claiming you had no intention of shooting them. Uuuum yeah you did or you would t have pointed the gun. If your child has cookie crumbs on his face and the box of cookies are open on the table, just because he says he didn’t eat any doesn’t mean anything. Trust reality.
     
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    Legality has no bearing as to whether one person is considered an immigrant or not. The fact that you believe that, quite frankly, is concerning.
     
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    It was clear you didn't understand what "intent" was prior to this post. And it appears you don't understand what "evidence" is either. For your sake, I hope you're not a lawyer.

    Please demonstrate how the immigrant's legal status killed the motorcyclist.
     
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    Drinking and driving, particularly after a DUI that resulted in the revocation of your license, is clear evidence of intent to disregard the law and public safety.

    I mean it's pretty obvious to anyone but a leftist.

    As for the rest of your post, multiple people have already explained how this non-immigrant's legal status, and the lefts resistance to deporting him, led to the accident.

    That you see it and defend it anyway tells us everything we need to know about your narrative.

    Had he been a legal immigrant, he would have been deported after his first crime in 2011.

    I'd like to encourage you to keep defending illegal aliens that kill Americans though, it saves the rest of us a lot of effort.
     
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    I'm afraid it does.

    You are not an immigrant unless you have received approval to be in the country.

    That's why foreign citizens of other countries in this country illegally are called illegal aliens.
     
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    That's just dumb. No other comment needed.
     
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    He intended to drive with a revoked license.
     

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