IMMIGRATION - the Next Big Thing

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  1. rocker65

    rocker65 Active Member

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    Immigration is a huge issue, and there is lots of speculation about what is going to be the next big thing to happen regarding the big issue. Frankly, there's a few different big issues coming up on the horizon. No doubt one of them is living facilities for migrant children. Politicians, both Republican and Democrat have visited HHS facilities over the past few days, and given them high marks, but the quantities are a concern, so more facilities need to be established.

    Another next big thing is hiring more immigration judges, and expanding the immigration court system, to get cases done more quickly. This would ease the burden of the whole system being overrun by massive amounts of illegal immigration.

    Surely, these are important, and almost surely will be dealt with. The really, really Next Big Thing though is the issue of dealing with Central American countries, and tackling the problems they are having, that is causing this massive outflow of migrants from them, and resulting influx to the US.

    On the Sunday morning talk shows some politicians were interviewed and had some interesting things to say. All of them mentioned the Central American countries, where migrants are coming here from, particularly El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala. On the Fox show with Chris Wallace, ex sect of DHS, Jeh Johnson said we need to deal with the Central American countries. He gets a gold star for that. He gets that gold star taken away though when he incredibly said, it's a big problem that the Central American countries won't take the migrants back.

    LOL. Hey Jeh, if your neighbor dumped a pole of trash in your back yard, you're going to politely ask him if he would please take it back ? Pheeeew! Next, on Meet the Press (AKA Meet the Trump Bashers), Maine Senator Angus King also said we need to work with the central American countries. I thought he went a bit astray though when he spoke of the over-migration as a "refugee" problem, with the migrants fleeing just from crime.

    A better perspective, I thought, was presented by Senator James Langford of Oklahoma, who also said we need to get action started with Central American countries, but added another component to the picture, with economics. Langford is not buying the refugee only argument, and said that these people are also running away from economic hardship, and see the US as a hope for better life.

    I tend to agree with Langford. While some people may only be motivated by high crime, if this were the case, they could go to other countries closer to them, which have low crime rates. Looking at the United Nations Office on Drugs & Crime statistics, we see plenty of choices for Hondurans and El Salvadorans beleaguered with massive homicide rates. For instance, how about the French island of Martinique (2.78 homicides/100K). Or the Dutch island of Aruba (1.93). Even Nicaragua with 7.37, is a lot better than the 56.52 of Honduras, or the 82.84 of El Salvador. Same with Panama (9.67), or Costa Rica (11.90), and certainly TurksCaicos (5.93), Cuba (4.99), and Guadaloupe (8.01).

    The answer is economic opportunity. The US may be farther away than some of these other countries, but it is vastly better for people to advance themselves economically. This tends to cast a shadow on the idea that migrants are all refugees running from high crime rates only.

    List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

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    Maybe we could just send TROOPS to El Salvador and Honduras and kick some ass. That would shake them up.
     
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    Any ideas of how we might deal with Honduras and El Salvador ? We've tried foreign aid. Hasn't helped at all.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why don't they allow the children to go back to Mexico?
    More likely than not they have relatives living over there, or the Mexican government can handle it.

    I see absolutely no reason to keep the children in the U.S. if they do not have access to their parents anyway.
    There's also the possibility of two-way video communication, which doesn't really matter which countries the two parties happen to be in.

    Another possibility might be to embark on a joint project with the Mexican government right on the border. The U.S. would build a holding facility on its side and the Mexican government would build an orphanage on the other side. Then the children would be able to walk over and visit their parents for a few hours every day.

    But let's not forget that in many cases, the adult bringing the child over is not the child's actual parent (a family member is waiting for them in the U.S.), or the child is only being accompanied by one of their parents.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or stop making everything have to go through the court system. There are many smaller decisions that could be made by someone else, and to which the immigrant would be happy to agree.
    Think about how parole works, there's a panel of three prison employees that are empowered to make decisions.

    Retired Border Patrol Agent Offers Simple Solution To Illegal Immigration Problem
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WE tried death squads, domestic terrorism, assassinations, invasions and installing dictators, and the damned ingrates don't even thank us. In fact, they call us Gringos.

    Same as Iran. Thankless bunch if ya ask me.
     
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    Yes thankless, for all the foreign aid $$$ they've gotten from us, plus remittances$$ Billions, in addition to a lot of laughs from your daydreams.
     

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