Impeachment 2.0: This is how Trump incited a violent coup.

Several posters express confusion as to how exactly Trump was responsible for the events on January 6.

They cling to a passing comment by Trump in which he included the word "peacefully". When he said "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

Notice that the first paragraph says "express confusion" and not "are confused". I'm not sure that all those who express confusion actually are confused. What Trump said clearly shows what he was asking his mob to do.

Of course, Tump knows, we all know, his supporters know... that his mob is not going to pay much attention to the word "peacefully". They're going to hear what they want to hear. This is what they want to hear. Just some examples:

“Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer. And we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. And we’re going to have to fight much harder. …"

“We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them, because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”
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It's these calls to violence what they hear.

They also hear

“I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so, because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. …"
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Very much like a mob boss would say "I hope nothing bad happens to your family". But, "we win the election"? It could not be more clear that what he is seeking is a coup. One that would put HIM in power.

So it's clear that he is promoting an illegal coup to declare him... the monarch, or dictator, or... something other than President. Because there is no article in the constitution that would allow the VP to declare "winner" the candidate who lost the election.

If that's not enough, Trump makes very clear what he means.

“When you catch somebody in a fraud, you are allowed to go by very different rules. So I hope Mike has the courage to do what he has to do, and I hope he doesn’t listen to the RINOs and the stupid people that he’s listening to.”​

What allows you to go by very different rules? A coup, of course.

The contention that this would be a "peaceful" coup d'etat could not be more ridiculous. Where or when in history has there ever been a "peaceful" coup?

After that, Trump starts pointing out who the "targets" are, if Pence refuses to participate in his coup. But that's subject for another thread.

 

no, he didn't, he actually said 'march peacefully and patriotically'

are we going to get into the same comedy we got into with russia collusion, ukraine call where we are trying to get into people's heads and assigning meanings, hidden marching orders in this case? have we not learned?

 

In another thread I said:

Does that mean I have been going down to the VA and physically fighting with them? No. Fighting is just an expression.

Most of the disagreement between the left and Trump supporters has been little more than the left trying to make more out of what he saying than what he is intending.

 

Trump is teflon.

Can you imagine what would have happened if Obama had lost to Romney in 2012 - if Obama had lost
by 5 million votes and Romney had taken 306 Electoral votes - if then, Obama had charged "fraud" only was never able to
produce any court accepted instances of fraud, just some papers claiming fraud from 200 of his loyal followers - and
then in a fit of rage, had tried to have Biden overturn the election in Congress - and when that failed, held a rally that led
to a violent storming of the Capitol of the US?

Hell, Obama would have lost his job after it was found he paid off porn stars for sex while his wife nursed their newborns ... let
alone any of the crap Trumpy has gotten away with over the last two months. It's simply amazing.

 

Not the first time you respond to a post without reading what you are responding to.

Obviously you haven't. And neither has Trump. He's getting impeached again! And again for actions that are, not only High Crimes and Misdemeanors, but also illegal and are likely to land him in prison.

 

I did not realize that Trump held a rally that led to a violent storming of the Capitol of the US.

None of the rest of your rant has anything to do with the impeachment.

 

Yep! "Just an expression" that, when used in the context in which Trump used it, is very effective in inciting a crowd to violence.

Disingenuousness is not going to save your Leader. So you might as well start get used to the idea that he'll be impeached, and he might be removed (who knows) by the Senate. And that this will very likely be yet another one of the things he'll be criminally charged for. Unless he finds some way to pardon himself.

 

Amazing. Even if you feel Trump did not incite the violence, you cannot deny that Trump had a rally that ended up with the storming of the Capitol.
There are literally hundreds of videos that show the MAGA rally crowd leaving Trump's speech and heading to the Capitol, and then part
of that crowd forcing entry into the Building.

 

The Left has ZERO credibility.

 

In your context, but not necessarily in the context Trump was using it because we all "fight" when we are trying to get something done which is difficult or frustrating.

I have little doubt he will be impeached and I also believe it is incredibly stupid because it will cause more problems than it solves.

 

That does not mean that he intentionally provoked them to do violent acts.

 

Neither side has credibility. Politicians on both sides are a bunch of asshats.

 

Roses do not grow out of the asses of many on the right either.

 

The President has certain responsibilities that are beyond the scope of the normal citizen. The President needs to acknowledge that his words
can be used as weapons if he throws them about carelessly. The fact that Trump is either oblivious to this, or ambivalent, is not really a defense.

 

I'll definitely concede the latter...

 

I would never expect "the left" to have credibility with somebody who uses a swastika as their img. I don't think I'd even want it to.

 

Except when the left continually construes what he says into something that was not intended.

 

What matters is that it was in the context of the people who were there to carry out the coup that he was calling for.

 

With the amount that Trump has flip-flopped on what he says, is there any wonder?

He put out the video calling for calm at the Capitol, then two days later regrets that he put out the video.
He claims he wants a smooth transition, then sends his followers to Congress to protest a smooth transition.

 

/thread

 

Shouldn't we impeach Obama?
"President Obama wants to know "whose ass to kick"
"When it comes to Republicans, you need to “argue and get in their face”:"
"We need to punish our enemies"
"We bring a gun to a knife fight".

Then we have the other rhetoric out of the left like from Maxine Waters.

 

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Where did he say he was calling for a coup?

 

What they did in congress was legal and Constitutional.

 

THIS is a "smooth" transition -



THIS is NOT a smooth transition ...



Any questions?