Impeachment? Crime? Where?

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  1. Mike12

    Mike12 Well-Known Member

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    So cohen sentenced for tax evasion, lying to investigators and violation of campaign finance laws.

    Paul manafort for lying and crimes unrelated to trump campaign.

    Trump’s Russia collusion? Nothing

    Trump’s crimes? Nothing

    The only thing liberals and media are excited about is potentially trump’s involvement in paying hush money to silence women.

    Here’s the problem. Remember senator edwards? He was accused of same thing but in his case, he spent millions to silence women, guess what? He was Acquitted..

    The problem here is that prosecuters have to prove that #1 trump ordered cohen to do it and #2 that trump did it to influence election not to prevent this secret from impacting his personal life, in other words, that trump didn’t do it to stop this secret from affecting his marriage and embarrass his family.

    #1 can probably be proven but is it just cohen’s words? He has shown to not be trustworthy

    #2 is very difficult to prove, almost impossible

    Don’t hold your breathe, keep wishing..
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Cohen has TAPES with your BLOTUS conspiring to commit campaign finance violations.

    There is a 2nd CREDIBLE witness to the BLOTUS conspiring to commit campaign finance violations.

    This is a slam dunk criminal case.

    Now we need to move on and find out what other crimes your BLOTUS might have committed.
     
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    It’s not, there needs to be proof of intent to influence election. If trump did it to prevent this info from harming his marriage, embarrass his family.. it is NOT a crime. How do they prove this?
     
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    The content of the tapes plus the testimony of the witnesses proves the intent to commit campaign finance crimes.
     
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    We will see, there needs to be proof that he did it just to influence election and not to prevent harm to his family.

    Do some research on senator edwards.. he paid lots more money to hide a big secret, prosecuters failed to win case..
     
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    Apples and oranges!

    Your BLOTUS has committed campaign finance crimes and now we need to move on and find out what other crimes he may have committed.
     
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    Lol, keep dreaming..

    Really pathetic how after 2 years all they have is small amount of hush money paid.. something which would be extremely difficult to prosecute trump for, case for edwards is prime example.
     
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    Just for minute forget about all the terrible things Trumps was supposed to have done. Instead focus on this.

    For the past two years Trump has been investigated for collusion with the Russians to affect the election. When that didn't pay off he has been accused of obstruction of justice to cover up a crime that did not exist. Now the discussion is about whether money paid to women can be considered campaign financing.

    Think about it. Is this really the terrible crime? Is that really the best the dems can do? They have spread hate and distrust for two years because of hush money paid to women. This is nothing more than wasting two years looking for a crime.
     
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    I'm sure if you squint and look hard enough, you'll find an unpaid parking ticket in his past. Trump is a twit, but I highly doubt they are going to find a smoking gun, since they haven't yet.

    Do you understand what happens with 'impeachment'? Or what happens afterward?
     
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    this one is obvious, but I think Trump is right, this one is peanuts compared to the real crimes Mueller knows about, but we will have to wait and see
     
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    Kneejerk denialism does not alter reality!
     
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    this is why Trump will resign if he loses the election in 2020 and Pence will be president for about 1 month....

    the statue of limitations is 5 year for this crime, he can be charged when he leaves office, so he will need Pence to Pardon himself like Nixon's VP did for him
     
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    Your BLOTUS has spent his entire life flouting the law. He has a lot to hide which is why he is trying to shut down the SC investigation and committing the crime of Intention of Obstruction of Justice. I have no doubt whatsoever that there are other crimes yet to be revealed by the investigation.
     
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    you do not know what he has, two years ago the right would of said his fixer would not be found guilty not to mention all the other people Trump has around him that have pleaded guilty or been found guilty by a jury of felonies
     
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    For crimes unrelated to russia collusion or anything linked to trump. Pul manafort was indicted for a bunch of stuff he did way before trump campaign, flynn for lying about something harmless, what he lied about was not a crime, crime was that he lied. Cohen for lying and tax evasion.. campaign finance laws.. cohen is the closest link but the campaign finance laws, very difficult to prosecute... senator edward’s case proves it.. and he paid much more.
     
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    and we will see what kinda beans they spilled about Trump, the Cohen tapes by Trump's fixer should be interesting
     
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    Desperate hyper-partisan, diversionary attempts to dredge up scandals of yore and equate them with current ones are feeble. Each criminal case succeeds or fails on its own merits.

    The Trump Justice Department's Republican Special Counsel has been charged with investigating Russia's subversion of the 2016 presidential election and related matters, a mission of vital national security.

    He has consistently exhibited the integrity, competence, diligence, and discretion for which so many prominent Republicans praised him at the time of his appointment.

    Regardless of all the indictments, convictions, and confessions he has secured, his investigation is ongoing.

    The Trump Justice Department's Republican Special Counsel should be expected to continue to pursue the truth in his patriotic assignment, regardless of whose bone spurs he may step on.
     
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    Your op does nothing but show you have no idea what's going on.
     
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    Clinton was impeached for an actual crime of lying under oath and he continued to be President. If they impeach Trump he'd still be president. But there is no crime prior to the investigation so he can't be impeached.
     
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    Except that he has a very obvious reason to pay the hush money, which is not illegal - to protect his reputation, like he has multiple times before and like celebrities do every day.

    This will not succeed in an unbiased court.

    To be honest I kind of hope they arrest him Jan 22 2021 just to test the law and make its application clear for Democrats and Republicans alike.
     
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    Are you folks already past the part about President Bonespur lying about knowledge of the payments?

     
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    After all of this is done.

    Hilary very clearly broke the law with her server. There are no if's, and's or but's. Call it ignorance of the law, carelessness or complete disregard. She broke the law. All that is excused.

    It is questionable whether Trump broke the law. There are no if's, and's or but's. He is is not a candidate for sainthood. Not even close. I don't like him and never will. Liking him or not liking him is not an issue. Trump's biggest sin was beating Hilary. That can never be excused.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Under oath? Hilary once said that if a president lies to the people, he should resign. Apparently, that only applies to republican presidents.
     
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    While he may be the President, it was not by my vote. So, let's move on from the sad name calling, shall we?

    You seem to think repeating the same thought solidifies something.

    Trump is brash, crass and a twit, but he isn't stupid. I wonder why some people seem to think he is.
     
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    True. It was the women who brought up the issue during the campaign. That it was then addressed is a matter of circumstance.
     

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