Impeachment does NOT require a crime

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Nope asked a foreign government to help with an investigation into Democratic corruption and their use of the Ukrainian government as detailed in politico to interfere in the 2016 election.
     
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    not the way to do it, every politician knows that and would be fired if they did that

    Trump could of used his FBI or DOJ, he can not bribe them to open an investigation into a political opponent using tax payer dollars

    Trump asking them for this favor was Republican corruption
     
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    they just extended this crap to 3 days instead of 2 :(
     
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    Wrong he asked them to cooperate with Barr and DOJ sent Rudi as a sort of ombudsmen and go between.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he withheld funds and promised them a meeting if they announced an "Investigation", impeachable and Trump was impeached over it, Trump has no one to blame but himself
     
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    Didn't happen no where in the transcript of either phone call. Schiff lied.
     
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    did happen, been proven, and Trump is hiding the documents and witnesses that could clear him, not something an innocent man would do

    Trump has already been impeached over it, the only question now is will he be fired over it too
     
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    It's called the separation of powers. That is what the court is for, to determine who is correct between branches. It's in the constitution.
     
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    LOL, the dem clown show is now whining that they need this information to prove their case they said they proved in the House. They were on a clock and a calendar and were in too much of a hurry to subpoena the information.
     
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    :blahblah: ~ And in the end Trump is still the president . Democrats will likely lose the House of Reps over this .
     
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    Impeachment without a crime is weak. Very weak. And partisan.
     
  12. FreshAir

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    the right is afraid that Trump's own people won't lie under oath

    the right is afraid what the docs Trump won't turn over show

    if the right is whining they need more info to fire Trump, then they need to request the remaining witnesses and docs
     
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    he asked them to announce they were doing an "investigation" or no funds or meeting with the President, Trump did not even want an investigation, just an announcement that there would be one - Sad Trump thinks he has to cheat to win
     
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    sounds like not all the republican are lock step with Trump, good deal

    if witnesses are required, this could take years as Trump will fight the truth getting out tooth and nail

    republican won't be able to vote not to fire Trump until the witnesses testify

    could get interesting, we only need 4 republicans to want to hear the truth
     
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    LOL, the dem clown show sent over a farce and now they are trying to get a do-over in the Senate.
     
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    two separate things, the House proved their case, Trump has been impeached

    now the Senate has a trial to see if Trump should be fired

    the Senate will look like idiots if they do not call witnesses and still vote not to fire him, that will look like a cover up

    we both know even with witnesses they will vote not to fire Trump, but they look even worse if they don't try to make it look at least legit
     
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    So if the House proved their case and said it was so urgent they would not subpoena documents or witnesses but now in the Senate they want to subpoena documents and witnesses? Really? They don't need to subpoena anything if they proved their case.
     
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    Well.. guess that good for your side that impeachment doesn't require a crime... because y'all don't have one. Might find a few among your own ranks however.
     
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    I can't help you if you are going to insist on believing Schiff's fairy tales.
     
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    Sure, Dershowitz. In an interview Monday evening, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that his stance on the justification (or lack thereof) for President Trump’s impeachment is “far more correct now” than the position he took during the Clinton impeachment trial. “House Democrats settled on two flimsy Articles of Impeachment that allege no crime or violation of law whatsoever — much less ‘high crimes and misdemeanors,’ as required by the Constitution.”

    “You need criminal-like behavior akin to bribery and treason,” he said.

    https://time.com/5768656/alan-dershowitz-impeachment-crimes-trump-interview/
     
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    Yeah, not butt hurt because of 2016. The dem clown show has been on record pushing impeachment before Trump was sworn in.
     
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    Is this one of Schiff's fairy tales?

    Trump incriminated himself. This is a quote directly from the July 25 phone call, and it comes soon after Trump said, “I would like you to do us a favor, though.” That statement comes right after Zelensky expressed interest in buying Javelin missiles. This is what Trump said.

    Good because I· heard you had a prosecutor who· was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor bf New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States,· the woman., was bad news and the people she was dealing with in.the Ukraine.were bad news so I jtist want to_let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

    Trump's chief of staff admitted to quid pro quo.

    “What you’re describing is a quid pro quo,” asserted the reporter. “We do that all the time,” replied Mulvaney. “Did he also mention to me the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about it. But that’s it. That’s why we held up the money … I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy.” http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/mulvaney-ukraine-get-over-it.html

    After the July 25 phone call with Zelensky, as he usually does, Trump doubled down by asking again for foreign intervention in our elections. On Oct. 3, in a news conference on the White House lawn, he called on Ukraine and China to look into his chief rival's affairs, Joe Biden.

    “If they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens,” Trump said when asked what he wanted Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to do about the former veep and his son.

    “They should investigate the Bidens,” Trump said. “Likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/trump-calls-for-ukraine-china-to-investigate-the-bidens.html
     
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    Nice try nothing there about swapping anything.
     
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    Asking for favors is against the law? Hope you don't have any relatives that need help.
     
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    :bonk:~ Democrats grasping at straws . Meanwhile "Pops" Bernie once again gives in to the DNC and has to apologize about his Joe Biden accusations . Has there ever been a more dependable company man ?
    What a sad bunch these extreme leftist hacks have become ...`:no:
     
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