Impeachment does NOT require a crime

they did and Trump was the 3rd President to be impeached, a stain Trump can never wash off

 

most certainly was Republicans making a joke of the process and still are in the Senate

 

LOL, after the Schiff show in the House you make me laugh.

 

Shift was dealing with fact, republican on the other hand, were trying to avoid the facts, and now we hear about Nunes, talk about conflict of interst

wonder how many other republicans have such a conflict of interest?

"Devin Nunes now admits to phone call with indicted Giuliani aide"

https://americanindependent.com/dev...-rudy-giuliani-fox-news-donald-trump-ukraine/

" Parnas said, adding he was in shock because Nunes was "sitting there and making all statements and all that when he knew very well that he knew what was going on.""

 

Why was Devin "Midnight Cab Ride" Nunes talking to Lev Parnas?

 

But before the jury was ever seated defense would take one look at your supposed evidence and move for immediate dismissal and any honest judge would throw the case out. You need evidence not just assumptions to get you to the jury selection phase.

 

What makes you think that is a crime and spying on Congress persons AOK?

 

Only you have no actions, you have assumption about something someone said, and what was said was at best ambiguous.

 

You shall eat hamburgers, cheeseburgers, or other beef-based sandwiches.
Do you have the option of chicken nuggets?

 

Err, huh?

I asked a question. And you go all "bbbbbutwhataboutspying!??"

WTF are you even talking about?

 

However, the democrats regard pissing them off a a high crime, and losing an election they thought was totally owned pisses them off. They feel having a great nation pisses them off. The color of Trump's tie pisses them off. The fact his wife is beautiful pisses them off. The fact the economy is doing phenomenally well is pissing them off. The fact some people are wealthy pisses them off. The fact we don't all want to give America away pisses them off. The fact that they keep losing in their effort to overthrow him pisses them off. The fact their crap rolls of his back like water off a duck- that really pisses them off. In fact, I'm having trouble finding any idea that is logical that doesn't piss them off.

These are people who put their emotional reactions on the table as evidence of crime, and act like spoiled brats throwing tantrums while they are ignoring the duties of the offices they have been elected too- And that pisses me off.

 

You should try to use an economy of words when you intend to post nothing of substance.

He subverted the nation's interest to his own interests by withholding congressionally appropriated aid to a foreign power in return for a public announcement that it would be "investigating" "the Bidens". There's no challenge to those essential facts, and they're more than enough to impeach and remove a president.

It has nothing to do with that contrived nonsense in your post. Good God.

 

Rod, what "due process" were you referring to? Tell the forum what process was due.

 

And the complete sack of BS the dems are using as an excuse for the impeachment is only the current act in a circus that has continued for 3 years- and that make she summary of motive I posted somewhat like a one-word dictionary of who they are.

I think it was the Washington Post that published, 20 minutes after the inauguration- "The process of impeachment has begun". NO real American believes that any part of this charade has anything to do with justice or cause other than the dems being pissed off. Democrats might- but they expose themselves in that process.

 

There's plenty of evidence...you just haven't looked at it. Start with the U,S, Code: 2 USC Chapter 17B, "Impoundment Control."

 

Uh, no. We have testimony about what Bonespurs ordered. We have documentary evidence. We have his own and Mick Mulvaney's admissions. We have the fact that the aid was held up, and that's consistent with the testimony and documentary evidence that Bonespurs did so to obtain a personal benefit from a foreign power.

That you keep trying to deny what we all know happened based upon the evidence, and what the House specifically found happened, is very puzzling.

 

*LOL*

He's been impeached, and rightfully so. He should have been impeached after the Mueller Report was released. And, of course, you haven't read the Mueller Report.

 

The law itself in fact takes the whole process out of the president's hands as much as possible and makes it a civil action not a criminal offense.

 

You mean to say no real Republican.

51% want Trump removed.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/trump-poll-impeachment-101245

 

What you have testimony of is diplomacy not involving funds.

 

Anytime people want to impeach before the fact, those people should be charged and convicted. That is factual actions of the left in this case. On video. Public.
Any rational person knows this is only the latest spoiled-brat act in the 3-year circus, and each one a more desperate hail-mary shot than the one before.
How many times in a row do they have to lose before you understand that?

The term "Double Standard" is even worn out by the duplicity and total self-delusions of the left. It's a sad and pathetic thing to watch. Hate... only destroys the hater.

 

I meant just what I said.
Perhaps you are familiar with Rasmussen, one of the most respected and independent polling companies in the world.
This is directly from their site, a lead story. Read up:

Dems Rely on Phony Impeachment Polling

A Commentary By Brian C. Joondeph

Wednesday, July 31, 2019


Despite the embarrassing spectacle of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s congressional testimony where he finally learned about the report he supposedly created and wrote, Democrats are doubling down on stupid.


They are ignoring the first law of holes, that when you are deep in one, the smart play is to stop digging. The hole they continue to dig is the one denying the reality of the 2016 presidential election, that Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton fair and square.


It was not the result Democrats and their media comrades wanted or expected and now they seek to overturn the will of the American people in selecting a president. So what if Hillary Clinton won the popular vote? Bill Clinton was elected in 1992 with only 43 percent of the popular vote, far from a majority, but no one considered him an illegitimate president for that reason.


Democrats have been trying for close to three years to overturn the 2016 election. From Stormy and Avenatti, to Rapinoe and Omarosa, all have tried and failed. Mueller was supposed to deliver the smoking gun to congressional Democrats but instead brought only Mueller’s bewilderment and confusion, with seemingly everything relevant to the Trump Russia collusion hoax being “out of his purview”.


All the Dems have left is the I-word. No, not idiocy or incompetence, but impeachment. Mueller couldn’t find any real crimes, such as conspiracy or obstruction, despite two years of one of the most exhaustive investigations in history, conducted by partisan Democrats who wanted nothing better than to see Trump frog-marched out of the White House.


Democrats are left only with the political remedy for “high crimes and misdemeanors” which they so far have been unable to articulate. As impeachment is a political remedy, Democrats had better hope that politics is on their side.


Nothing says minority status better than governing against the will of the people, which the Democrats are doing. Do Americans want impeachment? If the polls say yes, that’s all the Democrats and media need to plow ahead. Congress will happily ignore its real job, including fixing immigration, healthcare, infrastructure, a crushing national debt and so on, if it means more political grandstanding, fundraising and the possibility of a Democrat president in 2020.


Democrats are spurred on by a new Fox News poll with this Breitbart headline, “47 percent of Americans back Trump impeachment.” Not quite a majority, but enough for the media to begin breathlessly panting in anticipation. Beyond the misleading headline, one can read the first sentence in the Breitbart article for a reality check, “Support for impeaching President Donald Trump has fallen slightly.”


Ironically Politico provides a more sobering view with their headline, “No impeachment bump after Mueller’s testimony.” They note, “A plurality of voters are still opposed to beginning proceedings that could result in Trump’s removal from office.”


So where is the truth? With any poll, one needs to dig far beyond the headline. The Fox News poll wasn’t conducted by Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson. Instead Fox commissioned the poll to two polling companies, in this case Beacon Research and Shaw and Company.


Polls are as good as their samples. Take a survey about Trump impeachment in Boulder or Berkeley, and the result will be nearly unanimous that Trump belongs at Supermax prison next door to its newest guest, El Chapo.


This Fox News poll surveyed registered, not likely, voters, already skewing the sample. Given a 58 percent turnout in the last presidential election, almost half of those surveyed in this poll may be watching Netflix on Election Day rather than voting.


A more reliable sample is likely voters, a group that Rasmussen Reports samples in its polls. This explains why Rasmussen was the most accurate pollster in the 2016 presidential election.


Political affiliation of those polled also skews the results. In the Fox News poll, those surveyed were 46 percent Democrat and only 40 percent Republican, a six-point Democrat oversampling.


Looking specifically at impeachment and removal from office, 42% said yes, while 50% said no, an eight-point difference in favor of no. Add in the sampling bias of six percent, and this difference regarding impeachment and removal may be 14 points against, far different than the Breitbart headline implied.


Interestingly, when asked if Trump should be impeached but not removed from office, only nine percent favor this approach, while 77% believe he should not be impeached at all. This is quite a disconnect suggesting that those surveyed may not understand the constitutional process for impeachment and conviction.


How many low information voters believe that if Trump is impeached, Hillary Clinton automatically becomes president?


Other tidbits from the survey are that Democrat primary voters favor Joe Biden at 33%, compared to Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren at 15 and 12 percent respectively.


Those polled were against decriminalizing persons entering the United States illegally by a 57-34 margin and were against providing health insurance to illegals by a 60-32 margin. Don’t tell the Democrat/Marxist primary candidates that they are on the wrong side of these issues in a big way.


Let House Judiciary Committee Chairman Gerald Nadler and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff run with impeachment. They believe they have the wind at their backs. After all, The Atlantic has declared, “Impeach Donald Trump.”


Lunatics on Twitter like Bette Midler and Meathead Rob Reiner are all in for impeachment. But saner voices speak of caution. NBC writes, “Support for impeachment falls as 2020 heats up.” Even in the House, when push came to shove and there was an actual vote for impeachment, as recently proposed by perpetually angry Texas Rep. Al Green, the proposal failed miserably 332 to 95.


Schiff and Nadler can yack all they want on CNN or MSNBC about impeachment, but that’s as far as it will likely go. If they push forward based on nonsensical polls, it will end in the same way as the 2016 presidential election where most of the polls were dead wrong. As they keep chasing and failing to catch Trump, in the style of the Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote, Trump’s popularity and support grows.


As Democrat dig ever deeper into the impeachment hole, they may soon be unable to climb out.

 

Rasmussen is the LEAST reliable poll out there and everyone knows their bias is always to the Right.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ame...ollster-rasmussen-research-has-a-pro-gop-bias

I'm surprised anyone would quote that garbage.

 

Yeah, the House can impeach any president for anything the House wants. From Murder to jay walking to spitting on the sidewalk, unpresidential behavior, lack of manners, didn't send his mother a birthday card, to anything and everything. What is an impeachable crime or misdemeanor is entirely what the House states they are. The House has sole authority to determine what a president can be impeached for.

Now the framers set the bar very high for the removal of a president or other officials. 2/3rds of the senate must concur the president or other elected or civil servant needs to be removed. This high bar was set to ensure the crime or whatever a president is accused of meets the standard of being a real impeachable crime and not some partisan political vendetta or the House just attempting to remove a president because he is from a different political party or just plain don't like his looks, etc.

 

Uh oh, the stable genius confesses to the second article of Impeachment, obstruction of Congress.

President Trump boasted Wednesday that his side in the impeachment trial has information that wasn’t shared with the House Democrats who pursued the investigation and brought the charges.

One of the impeachment managers presenting the case against the president observed that his remarks, at a press conference at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, appeared to support one of the two charges he faces: obstruction of Congress by refusing to answer requests for documents or allow testimony by administration officials.

Trump, when asked by a reporter for his reaction to the impeachment trial that resumed Wednesday afternoon, praised the work of his legal team, adding that they had the advantage of possessing “all the material.”

“We’re doing very well,” said Trump. “I got to watch enough. I thought our team did a very good job. Honestly, we have all the material. They don't have the material.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-impeachment-trial-all-the-material-obstruction-davos-185326298.html

Case closed, er, except for his loyal groveling stooges in the Senate.