Impeachment trial

Excerpt from The Guardian: Impeachment trial: mob 'believed they were acting on Trump's orders'

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Excerpt from the NYT:
Incitement to Riot? What Trump Told Supporters Before Mob Stormed Capitol

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Given the above that is being mentioned in the present trial of Trump in the Senate, one might think that the vote will have him found guilty.

But politics-is-politics even in America. So, Trump will likely not be impeached. Which means what?

That justice in America as regards politics is and can be purely political machinations ...

 

It also means that every lying POS Congressman or Senator who supported Trump should be arrested, tried, and incarcerated right along with him. Failing that none of them should ever win even a single favorable vote in the next election and failing that we should all recognize that the Republican Party is full of people who largely oppose America and everything it stands for.

The only silver lining about Trump is that his Presidency brought all of these anti-Americans out of the woodwork. Now what to do with them? I'm told we can't deport them as many were born here and it's against our fundamental principles to deny them any fundamental rights, even though they clearly want to use such rights to take them away from everybody else. It's part of Democracy, I suppose, that we just have to be vigilant about such people and never, ever allow them into positions of power again

 

What, indeed? Your lot is already handling that daily, by a campaign to dehumanize them. Next comes the attempt to marginalize, then to "hold them accountable". That picture should trigger some memories from times past. It is a well-known pattern and we know what comes at the end of these efforts. I'm sure the average citizen in 1930s Deutschland could tell you if they are still around.

 

GREAT COMPANY!

America's democracy should be multi-disciplinary. But it is isn't. It is a two-party system - like it or not.

The problem with multi-disciplinary parties is that "management" becomes increasingly difficult - some countries (that are run badly) have as many as 5 or 10 political parties claiming "ownership" of the top management position. Which is tantamount to highly ineffective political-management as history has taught mankind in many places.

Which is why - perhaps - the system we have is probably best. That is, whatever prominent political-party should get a hearing in the popular-vote, as well as a chance to become effective by means of a dominant position in Congress. Which is kinda-sorta the democracy we have.

The problem is that when the "presidential voting system" goes awry, the effect is very dangerous. And, believe me, the system went awry twice - first when the majority of the American people voted for Hillary but Dingbat won the presidency. The second time around, he almost won the presidency despite the fact that his political leadership was highly controversial. (Biden won by a voting plurality of 4.5% - which was "enough" but not "great".)

From Newsweek here:

America's democracy should be multi-disciplinary. But it is isn't. It is a two-party system - like it or not. It is also a "troubled democracy" because of the presidential voting-system, which is called "first past the post". Meaning that whoever wins the popular-vote plurality also accumulates ALL Of The Electoral College Vote, which highly misrepresents the voting as actually expressed by the total number of state-voters nationally.

Worse yet, the winner of the popular presidential-vote of the nation can loose the election in the Electoral College where the numeric Electoral Vote may be significantly different from the numeric popular-vote. Five times in our history, the winner of the popular-vote LOST THE PRESIDENCY to the loser of the popular-vote (but winner of the Electoral College vote)!

Which is why these here are the ONLY COUNTRIES that employ an Electoral College: Burundi, Estonia, India, Kazakhstan, Madagascar, Myanmar, Pakistan, Trinidad and Tobago and Vanuatu.

Great-company for Uncle Sam's voting system, isn't it ... !?!

 

Is there an incentive for them to say that? Yes, they believe that the claim will mitigate the sentence. The fact is that the President had a First Amendment right to speak out about how the elections were held. Just because the judges through out the cases, does not mean that voting fraud didn't happen. Take the ruling by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. They rules that the Governor broke state's election laws by extending the deadline for absentee ballots, but they allowed the count to stand. When you take into account that more votes were supposedly cast the any other election in history, then you have to wonder why. The expansion of absentee ballots with out any credible verification could have something to do with that.

So, President Trump had a right to challenge those elections. He had a first amendment right to speak out against them. Yes, he did invite those that believed that the elections were stolen to DC for a rally. But he did not tell anyone to invade the Capital Building or to riot. He specifically told them to march peacefully and patriotically to the Capital.

Now compare that to some of the rhetoric by the DNC to support the ANTIFA and BLM riots. How about AOC's statement:

"People Have No Choice But to Violently Riot"

Or another member of the Squad Pressley:

""There needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives, and unfortunately, there’s plenty to go around," Pressley said on MSNBC's AM Joy with Tiffany Cross."

If President Trump is guilty the so are members of the Squad.

 

Such a snowflake answer. Arrest the supporters of a former President just because you do not like what he stands for? Pathetic. President Trump did not incite the riot. He told those attending the rally to march peacefully and patriotically to the capital. He did not tell them to enter the Capital Building or to become violent. As I said to LaffetteBis, if President Trump is guilty, the so is every Democrat that spoke out in support of ANTIFA and BLM. Are going to call every one of them to be arrested? Or do you only call for such action against member of the GOP.

 

THE RIGHT TO VOTE

The right to vote in political elections is an INTRINSIC RIGHT in any true-democracy.

That the voting time was extended a few days - which ("dear me, dear me!") broke some local idiotic voting law is of no relevance whatsoever. But, it does show the need for the US to have a strict code-of-conduct (written into national law) for any-and-all public voting on a national, state or local level.

There should be no law/rule that dictates voting rights in order to prefer one-or-another political party in any "true democracy" on earth. Except one. Nationality of said democracy! Moreover, Uncle Sam has to get off his dumb-ass and start implementing widely competent electronic voting-systems for all public elections.

But that means that Uncle Sam needs birth-based Identity Cards for voting purposes* and, of course, the Rabid-Right wont like that either, will they?!?

As is the general custom in Europe today, where there are very, very few complaints about voting measures in any of the member-countries (and especially those of an ex-communist nature) ...

It is amazing how some US public-mentality can get stuck in an historical reference that goes back two centuries. Whyzzat? Just a personal notion that "if it's that old historically, we mustn't touch it!"

Which is Dead Wrong in any country that allows elections to be manipulated by political-parties in order to obtain/enjoy political dominance in law-making!

PS: Further reading suggested - Students Unhappy in School, Survey Finds

 

Yes. Such it is with the Dems leading the country into chaos and division.

 

Provocative statement without the slightest reference to actual fact. What chaos? What division that has not been factual in America's party-politics since a long, long time ... ?

It is mostly useless drivel without the slightest factual evidence. Such is "politics" in America today - it is in a very sorry condition ...

 

Nothing like an impeachment trial when the jury has already decided the accused is not guilty. But you know those whacky Democrats they love their show trials.

 

Yes.

 

It is worth noting that the general opinion (based upon factual evidence) is that the election, though close, was one of the most honest in history.

From here, Presidential election was honest, excerpt:

'Nuff said? Let's see your defense of the issue. Where's the electoral-fraud that Trump so desperately wanted in order to have the results thrown out and a new election to be taken? Huh? Where?

In addle-headed Replicant minds desperate to find the rot in our last presidential election. Meaning the party should collectively look in a mirror to find it ...

 

Personal sarcasm devoid of any factual evidence. Ie, the usual Replicant diatribe when they are devoid as a party of any sense of fair-play.

Borrrinnnng ... !!!

 

Happy Acquittal Day!

 

Investigations into election fraud are still ongoing.

Elephant in the room:

"Republicans still overwhelmingly believe mail-in voting resulted in fraud. Seventy percent (70%) of GOP voters say mail-in voting led to unprecedented fraud in the 2020 election, as do 11% of Democrats and 46% of voters not affiliated with either major party."

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...rs_still_don_t_think_biden_was_elected_fairly

 

I'm loving how Trump lives to fight another day and liberal Democrats have to fear being opposed for rep-election by Trump supporters. That's what I call real justice.

 

They aren't afraid of Trump. They're afraid of the populist movement he started. They fear 75 million voters who want to dismantle the Public-Private Oligarchy established by a corrupted political class.

 

Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer are two sides of the same coin. When you come to realize this you will have learned.

 

Vote: 57 "guilty" 43 "not guilty. Trump acquitted. Again. Boy, was that a surprise ending to the charade.

 

Did anyone expect differently? In most cases, the Republicans couldn't have voted against Trump without joining him. I think the real decision for Republicans will come in 2022. We are going to see a lot of Republicans win their primaries and lose their generals

On to the Obstruction trials, and there the trial will be in a courtroom, not several feet up Trump's ample ass.

 

Trump's office published a nice letter of thanks, encouragement and hope for the future of America.

 

Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...e-of-fraud-that-would-change-election-outcome

Scott Pelley: To quote from the November 12th statement that CISA and its partners put out, "The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes or changed votes or was in any way compromised."

Chris Krebs: Yeah, I stand by that.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-results-security-chris-krebs-60-minutes-2020-11-29/

There's no real honest investigations on going.
Even trump network OAN, called the fake video by pillow guy, not intended to be taken as fact.

 

Unlike elsewhere?

 

Maricopa County is doing the first machine audit of the 2020 election.

Georgia legislature is passing new laws to ensure that the election integrity issues which happened in 2020 never happen again.

The Supreme Court will decided on February 19th whether to hear the Pennsyvania case that the state illegally skirted voting laws.

 

I could predict the outcomes.
But in short time we will know.

This has been gone over ad nauseum.