In France, sex with an 11-year-old is legal—for now

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  1. Arkie

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...ar-old-is-legal—for-now/ar-BBFvyUz?li=BBnbcA1


    Otherwise, sex with a minor is not punishable. "A girl can consent to a sexual relationship, but she cannot consent to groping,"

    Say what???

    On Nov. 7, a 30-year-old French man was acquitted of rape after a jury found no evidence that he had forced an 11-year-old into having sex. The jurors ruled that the elements that constitute rape such as "coercion, threat, violence and surprise were not established," since the girl had followed him willingly.

    In another case in October, prosecutors declined to file rape charges against a 28-year old man who had sex with an 11-year-old girl, stating they could not justify the charges since she had shown no resistance.

    Has France lost its mind???
     
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    Well it should be. But these are the rare exceptions, not the rule.

    France has long been a lot more lax in sexual matters than their English counterparts. That said, the muslims are taking advantage of the situation.

    To deal with all the molestations and grooming that has gone on rampant now, France may have to change the rules.

    Freedoms that Europeans have long taken for granted are having to be curtailed, one by one. This may, in its own unique way, be another example of that.
     
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    For those of you a little baffled by my first comment, I was referring to Romeo and Juliet relationships, typically where the man/boy isn't that much older than the girl and they both love each other. True, 11 is really on the far low end of the scale, but it sometimes happens (very rarely).

    Obviously that wasn't the case in that link.
     
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    One of the examples in the OP happened many years ago and has only just gone to court. I have not seen anything to indicate that a Muslim was involved in that case.
     
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    I believe Romeo was 16 and Juliet was 14. That's completely normal.

    30 and 11 is just wrong; in no context is it justified.
     
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    Apparently the Alabama Republican party is negotiating with this guy to see if he will run for Congress in 2018. Having decided that a 32 year old groping a 14 year old is just fine (and a number of people including the Governor have said they will support him even if he did just that) then a 30 year old & an 11 year old isn't that bad. Only 1 year combined age difference really.
     
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    They surrendered to the Germans didn't they.
     
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    I believe there are still twenty odd states in the US where there is no stated age limit on marriage, and with a judges permission, 14 year olds and less can marry. Just say'n.
     
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    When the girl is 12 years or younger basically prepubertal and there is a five year difference in age between the male and the prepubescent child, you have pedophilia.

    But the left changed the definition of pedophilia to further a political agenda. They do that a lot.

    Re: Roy Moore and a 14 year old girl almost 40 years ago, I have no idea what was acceptable in Alabama back in the late 70's. There was a time in Alabama when the legal age of consent was 10 years of age but that was back in the late 1800's.

    If Roy Moore had no sexual penetration with his penis, there was no crime.

    Holey Yankee Doodle Dandy...President Andrew Johnson married his wife Eliza McCardle when she was only 16 years old !!!

    Pedophile Pedophile Pedophile they would be yelling today.
     
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    Excellence of posting.
     
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    I disagree with everything the guy you quoted is saying but I think that phrasing anything like this is objectively funny
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He is 100 percent correct however.
     
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    Look at child star Shirly Temples porn like movies in 1933. I just saw this for the first time.
    She may be 3 or 4 yr.s old.


     
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    Excellent find.

    Now we know why Hollywood is known as the Hollywood left or those in the perverted industry are referred to Hollywood liberals.

    They keep the DNC coffers full with money.

    For eight years President Obama would fly to the Left Coast almost monthly to pick up his money.
     
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    At no point was grownass men pursuing teenage girls okay.
     
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    An interesting interview with Shirley Temple when she was 60. She lived to be 84. She died at Woodside, CA a very affluent area. A great small town to live in.

     
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    But, he never said it is okay or was okay. But you and I both know that very early on, women commonly married at ages we see as still in childhood. But don't forget, slavery also was once approved. By so many, that 12 of our presidents owned slaves. Things keep changing.
     
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    The age of consent in Alabama in 1979 was 16...as you well know. Touching an underage girl on the genitals & directing her to do the same to the man was very much a crime. Still is.

    Of course, the Bible says it is OK; plus young girls are 'pure', which apparently turns some guys on; plus if god forgave him it is fine; and he's a Republican, so its also fine.

    Watching people defend Moore is a priceless insight into Republican America. 'If I believe it then its fact' has become so deeply ingrained that people don't even bother checking basic facts and don't care about child abuse. Everybody knows 'liberals' are the real enemy, so defending and even voting for child molesters is fine.
     
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    yep, my state just raised there age from 14 to a better 16 with a 5 year buffer age limit.... 14 was way too low, it meant a 80 year old man could have sex with a 14 year old legally in the united states, think all states are moving the age up and many adding the 5 year cap, about time
     
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    The age of consent deals with having sexual intercourse nothing to do with kissing or 1st base, 2nd base or 3rd base.

    Now making it too home plate is another issue.

    There was a high school music teacher the same music teacher that the Wilson brothers had (Beach Boys) who during the late 1960's openly dated one of his pupils for three years from when she was 15 to 17 years of age. Nobody said a thing, the parents of the young girl consented it was acceptable back in the 1960's in California.

    They did get married when she turned 18 in 1968.

    BTW:
    Remember what President Clinton said speaking for all liberals and underage kids basically testifying under oath that oral sex is not sex.

     
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    See the lengths the GOP is going through, to protect their own pedophiles.
     
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    This post is almost 'peak Republican'. Deny an easily researchable fact because it is politically inconvenient, then yell '.....but Clinton!'. All that is missing is something about Muslims. Perhaps you were saving that for another post. Normally I'd give you the excuse of ignorance, but you are one of those people who lectures people at length when you think they are wrong, so I'm just going to assume you are fine with a 32 year old touching the genitals of a 14 year old and making her do the same to him.

    Alabama takes a different view to what appears to now be a widespread position among GOPers and it did in the 70s & 80s when Roy Moore was chasing jailbait.

    Exhibit 1:

    Section 13A-6-67
    Sexual abuse in the second degree.
    (a) A person commits the crime of sexual abuse in the second degree if:

    (1) He subjects another person to sexual contact who is incapable of consent by reason of some factor other than being less than 16 years old; or

    (2) He, being 19 years old or older, subjects another person to sexual contact who is less than 16 years old, but more than 12 years old.

    (b) Sexual abuse in second degree is a Class A misdemeanor, except that if a person commits a second or subsequent offense of sexual abuse in the second degree within one year of another sexual offense, the offense is a Class C felony.

    (Acts 1977, No. 607, p. 812, §2321; Act 2000-728, p. 1566, §1.)

    Exhibit 2:

    Section 13A-6-69
    Enticing child to enter vehicle, house, etc., for immoral purposes.
    (a) It shall be unlawful for any person with lascivious intent to entice, allure, persuade, or invite, or attempt to entice, allure, persuade, or invite, any child under 16 years of age to enter any vehicle, room, house, office, or other place for the purpose of proposing to such child the performance of an act of sexual intercourse or an act which constitutes the offense of sodomy or for the purpose of proposing the fondling or feeling of the sexual or genital parts of such child or the breast of such child, or for the purpose of committing an aggravated assault on such child, or for the purpose of proposing that such child fondle or feel the sexual or genital parts of such person.

    (b) A violation of this section is a Class C felony.

    (Acts 1967, No. 388, p. 976; Code 1975, §13-1-114; Act 2005-301, 1st Sp. Sess., §1.)

    The first of those would get you a year in jail, the second a decade. It would also get Moore on a sex offender register for life, which would bar him from most of the things he's been doing or trying to do for a living since the 70s. Of course he knew what he was doing was a crime. He probably prosecuted people who committed such crimes, though I imagine some of them did so in ignorance of the law. He did not.

    So, you can stand there mumbling about 'age of consent' for all you like, it applies and applied to a broad range of sexual contact. So, next time you defend this particular kiddie fiddler on made up 'legal' grounds you won't have the excuse of ignorance. You'll just have to stick with accusing the women of lying, claiming a conspoiracy, blaming the 'MSM' & just plain not caring that your party may elect a man who like to feel up little girls to the Senate.
     
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    Where does it mention the definition of pedophilia ?

    Pedophilia is a mental disorder, and the medical world says it's incurable, once a pedophile always a pedophile.

    To many on the left are claiming that Roy Moore is a pedophile.

    If true he would still be going after girls under the age of 13.

    What I'm getting at is that the left changed the definition of pedophilia to further a political agenda.

    During the early 1970's the "New Left" adopted cultural-marxism aka political correctness and white beard scratching liberals decided what words could be used and not used and started changing the meaning and definition of words to further a radical leftist political agenda.

    They did it with guns where any black gun that was either ugly or scary looking became an assault weapon.

    In the early 70's some white pantywaist liberal who never served a day in his life in the military decided that the U.S. Marine Corps slang word "gook" that was coined during the Barbary Pirates Wars (1801 - 1805) was a derogatory word for Orientals. I can assure you there were no VC in North Africa between 1801 to 1805. "Gook" is a noun, (person place thing) that is strange or not American.
     
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    Wow! That is one of the best examples of subject changing I have ever seen. Rather than admit that you got busted passing off untruths you go on a rant about a bunch of stuff that was not even being discussed.

    Instead of admitting that your claims on 'age of consent' were pure fantasy you start wildly flailing around about 'the left'. This post is all kinds of awesome. Nothing funnier than a pumped up ideologue who can't accept that he is wrong....except when that person is defending someone who feels up children. That is all kinds of special.

    I've always figured that people who can't admit they were wrong even in the face of irrefutable evidence are deeply insecure. You seem determined to prove me right.

    Keep going, you haven't dragged Islam into this yet. :D
     
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    The tittle is false. Sex with a 11 YO isn't considered as rape for now. They're is two kind of crime :
    The "détournement de mineur", I would roughly translate as embezzlement of a minor. It's punished by law.
    Viol, "rape", everybody understand that.

    The flaw in the french law is that they weren't any consent age to consider when a children can have a full consent and isn't manipulated.
     

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