In Ukraine, the former KGB officer accused of killing 65-year-old

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  1. litwin

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    finally Ukraine starts to do real things, and its just beginning, i just feel tremendous pain in dirty hearts of Stalinist war - criminals. great news, whats next? Nirenberg for Stalinist war - criminals? The Hague?

    the Stalinist butcher Boris Stelara :
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    http://chelorg.com/2017/04/26/in-ukraine-the-former-kgb-officer-accused-of-killing-65-year-old/
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    I'm trying to wrap my head around this...
    Steklyar was a member of the nationalists but undercover KGB, he assisted with hiding hasevich and other nationalists... then threw a handgrenade into the bunker where they were hiding?
     
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    Yeah, posing as a nationalist, but really KGB. Corralled some nationalists, and the liquidated with a grenade. I don't see this as surprising.
     
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    Uktaine government becomes completely crazy. And you Litwin talks idiotic noncence. Boris Steklyar was liberating USSR from Nazis and Hasevich was an agent of the security services of SS and everyone knows what was SS. They were the real butchers! Interesting thing is that there are no grounds on which the veteran of the WW2 can be blamed for killing Hasevich. He was acting in the frames of his duties and in frames of the laws of USSR, which is not true for Hasevich. So overall, Kiev clique shows their complete idiotism.
     
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    O-ok, having trial over 94 years old. All right, now what?
     
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    well, we talk about the dirties war of 20c. , 80 million nation Germany surrounded in 1945, we fought the worst war - criminal in word -history Koba - Dzhugashvili even in 60th. some UPA fighters left Muscovite prisons only in 1986 (with perestroika) . UIA killed the even the front commander , the Wehrmacht haven´t succeed with it . NKVD, SMERSH , red -hordes, used against ant- Stalinist partisans things which they haven´t against nazi Germany - chemical weapons, black blag operations on the daily base , dressed as UIA fighters, they rape, took hostages, robed, killed, burn children alive, just name it , all biblical crimes . and Boris Stelara was one of those biblical evils.

    about your question, in 50th many anti- Stalinist partisans were already NKVD agents. some just wanted to live, some unlucky, but usually, NKVD -SMERSH terrorists took UIA fighters entire families as the hostages, leaving free only one family member who had to bring to this UIA fighter a NKVD-deal.





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Brothers
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michał_Vituška#Black_Cats
     
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    yes, Baltics made a huge error when all 3 countries stop to prosecute Stalinist butchers ,under foreign pressure of cos

    Latvia wins Kononov's case at European Court of Human Rights :: The ...
    www.baltic-course.com/eng/legislation/?doc=26980
    May 17, 2010 - Latvia has won the "Kononov vs. Latvia" case on appeal at the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), as the Cabinet of Ministers' ...

    Vassili Makarovich Kononov[1] or Vasiliy Makarovich Kononov (Russian: Василий Макарович Кононов, Latvian: Vasilijs Kononovs; 1 January 1923 – 31 March 2011) was a Soviet partisan during World War II, who was convicted by Latvian supreme court as a war criminal.[2][3] He is the only former Soviet partisan convicted of crimes against humanity.[4]

    Kononov was convicted for his role in three deaths in Mazie Bati, a Latvian village ... Kononov led a unit, posing as German Wehrmacht personnel, into the village and killed nine civilians, including three women, one in the late stages of pregnancy who was burned alive. A Latvian court declared the killing of the three women a war crime.

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    think,burned alive A PREGNANT WOMEN, still HERO!!!111111111!!!!! in this bumish MONGOL BAMBOO STALINIST - ULUS ...where else its possible today?
     
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    Paul Tibbets, hero of USA. Pilot of airplane that dropped bomb on Hiroshima, and claimed lives of tens of thousands people. Soldiers, civilians, elders, youth, women, children, newborns. And he lived a life of national hero.

    Governments make glory on blood and heroes out of butchers, volunary and not alike.

    I doubt you will make the equasion. I doubt you will oppose hypocricy. I doubt you are speaking with any sincerity in at heart.
     
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    In Ukraine, the former KGB officer accused of killing 65-year-old" NAME OF the TOPIC , or Paul Tibbets WAS A NKVD AGENT, butcher of the Ukrainian people too, link ? simple question to you, the OLD SATANIST KONONOV, WHO IS FOR YOU? the fact that he burn alive the pregnant women name - Tiekla , ( is it "Latvian Nazi" name?) recognized even your "juridic system" , so who is Kononov for you?
     
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    We, Nikolai II...
     
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    First of all - tone yourself down, and second - do not try to avoid thinking, feeling and answering questions I ask from you. That will not make me go away.

    Murderer is always murderer, regardless of banner and age.

    I am more curious, what might you feel over that case? Over a perspective of seeing old man dragged into court, demanded the retribution of crime comitted generations ago..

    What sensations it gives you..?
     
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    Who attacked who first, you seem to fail to understand this.
     
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    Oh, who attacked first matters now? - it does not. Actions matter. Responsibilities matter.

    And lessons we learn out of that - matter. Harsh lessons. Hard lessons. Painful, agonising lessons that we all learn.
     
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    "Great Patriotic war who struggled agaisnst fascists.Therefore, for me he is a national hero" so women - baby killer(BURN THEM ALIVE) is your hero? you must be in BIG trouble in Germany, if you say it in Sweden you´d never get a job here even as a WC cleaner...
     
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    Apparently, you have no idea what has happened in Japan. While Pearl Harbor was a military object, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were civil cities, and not military bases. This is first. Second, this was done not to finish the war with Japan, but as a "message" to Stalin. And last, but not the least. The same thing was done by US with respect to Dresden- they bombed the defenceless city to the ground while there was no need to do that- it did not have any military plants and there was no German army units there.
     
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    Aha, in Latvia they can say anything- that he burned women, killed kids, maybe even has eatten them etc etc. Meanwhile, so far no proofs, only speculations as I said before. I am fine in Germany, Litwin- here is a free society, much more free, than in Latvia and in the US.
     
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    Nu-uh-uh. Many people fought in the war. On both sides. Some of the people did it with dignity, some did it with non. Some came back humans. Some never came back. Some came back with things that are not worthy of pride. And then people invent excuses, that they pass to descendants - "this was our land", "there was no other way", "they are barbarians", "this was so you should live", "we are leader of free world", "it was for the greater good". Good intentions. The stairway that we should've learned to not go down a long, long time ago.
     
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    Everything is propaganda that does not correspond to the real facts. Everything has to be proved, apart from propaganda. No philosophy is involved here.
     
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    LOL , SURE: you dream about brutal revenge, and you will 100% get it, from an unexpected side ))LOL



     
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    "Many people fought in the war. On both sides" did i ask you a philosophical question ? or the juridic one? guilty Kononov , did he commit the war - crime, or his is your "hero", like for vis .
     
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    People who fought against fascism do not need any excuses. Another thing is as Ekaterina the Great said, the winners do not make excuses. And the current generation has no moral rights to judge those who struggled against fascists.
     
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    So, I see you keep insisting on delusions, deafness and blindness. Regretful, that you fail the exam. Albeit not surprising.
     
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